DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)

[Professor Zoom]

I mean they should be pissed (ok, a strong word, maybe not the best) because of all the press when, in fact, they've HAD a major character who is gay for years, who in the press release seems to be ignored at the moment. I think Batwoman's main selling point is the quality of the work, but how she cut through the noise initially was the orientation.

 

[Derishton]

^ Yeah, I see your point. It is interesting that the major hoopla that surrounded Batwoman years ago has clearly struck with the mainstream media: almost every recent report noted her status. I think we forget that there was such a hoopla surrounding her, because it took so long for DC to really follow up with a consistently-published set of appearances.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Waaaay before Batwoman I remember this bloke at the comic shop I worked at saying, "Why do they keep putting gays in Green Lantern? Why can't they have their own comic books and leave my comics alone."

I remember thinking that it looked like he probably couldn't even pay for sex.

 

[Hound of UIster]

^ Yeah, I see your point. It is interesting that the major hoopla that surrounded Batwoman years ago has clearly struck with the mainstream media: almost every recent report noted her status. I think we forget that there was such a hoopla surrounding her, because it took so long for DC to really follow up with a consistently-published set of appearances.

That was because they scrapped her first book by Devin Grayson, which apparently had cheesecake and then commissioned Rucka and JH Williams to do their own unique version after 52.

 

[Admiral_Young]

@Pyscho Pere the compressed timeline has been an issue fans have brought up and complained about from the start. It's completely silly and implausible IMO, even for a comic book timeline.

 

[Captain Craig]

@Pyscho Pere the compressed timeline has been an issue fans have brought up and complained about from the start. It's completely silly and implausible IMO, even for a comic book timeline.

True. DC gets the gold star for making me care less about their heroes and universe.
I mean why bother keeping up now anyway? In 5yrs they'll just reboot again, claiming once again "It's tough for new people to jump in"
Definition of crazy is doing the same thing again and again and expecting better results. Their results will bear negative returns time and time again in the long run with just bumps of new interest at each reboot cycle.

 

[Professor Zoom]

Definition of crazy is doing the same thing again and again and expecting better results. Their results will bear negative returns time and time again in the long run with just bumps of new interest at each reboot cycle.

Lately, they do seem reboot happy. Once in awhile, sure. But, I didn't have a problem jumping into the DCU a few years after Crisis on Infinite Earths... And I'm assuming no one had problems jumping in BEFORE that...

If the stories are written to be accessible, they are jumping on points.

 

[theenglish]

So I've started reading some of these New 52 relaunch titles, and I'm a little confused on how the timeline is working out.

Nightwing #3 opens with a "five years earlier" flashback to when Dick Grayson was still with Haly's Circus (so presumably the events in the flashback occurred before his parents were killed). I'm not seeing how five years is a plausible timeframe in which Bruce could train Dick to be Robin; Dick could shed that identity and become Nightwing; Jason Todd could be trained and be killed; and Tim Drake could both be trained as Robin and then take on the Red Robin identity so that Damian could be Robin.

In the former timeline this all took place over, at most, a six or seven year period, so its not much different

In 2006, it was mentioned that it had only been two years since Superman had died. By that logic, it had been three (or maybe four) years since Dick became Nightwing.

 

[Admiral_Young]

^ The previous time line was condensed to ten years or something like that. Little tweaks and changes had been made, nothing like what they have now though.

 

[Admiral_Young]

I just finished reading the Trinity War Free Comic Book Day preview...and wow. Lots of interesting stuff covered in the book...but it is quite clear to me that DC Editorial over the last year or whatever intends on completely remaking and restructuring their universe. It makes me wonder why they didn't just go for a complete full reboot instead of a relaunch with some continuity carried over. I digress though...

I'm actually starting to like Pandora the more I see of her...wouldn't mind a figure of her in a future New 52 Wave to be honest. The stuff with the magic and the origins of the 52' Verse Phatom Stranger and Question (is Renee still Question 2??) were interesting. Not to mention the Talia Al Ghul recruitment line from Etta...was that a reference to her role as Levithian or something else? I just can't help but continue to have a "weird" feeling about the 52'Verse. There is very little that I like, and more that I dislike.

 

[Derishton]

Batman Inc was great. Anyone else reading the Vandal Savage DC Presents? I thought it was pretty good. Given the series' remit to tell stories set at any point in DC continuity, I'm assuming this is set closer to "Five Years Ago" than it is to the present era, because otherwise they lose every Vandal Savage story ever told outside of "Return of Bruce Wayne" and Demon Knights (given that the story is clear that Vandal has been in prison 16 years). No sign of Scandal, but no obvious clues that Scandal doesn't exist, either.

 

[Mike Farley]

They've dumped most of the stories of far more prominent characters than Vandal Savage. I don't see them worrying about that.

 

[Derishton]

They've dumped most of the stories of far more prominent characters than Vandal Savage. I don't see them worrying about that.

But they haven't dumped much of the Green Lantern stuff, and he's involved in that; he's crucial to the origins of the Bat tribe. I don't think prominence is playing as much of a role in what they've dropped and what they haven't, outside of Batman and Hal Jordan. It's all about proximity to the big storylines, and Savage is pretty connected that way.

On the other hand, there's no reason why this can't be an Earth-2 title; wasn't Savage a Justice Society villain when he began?

 

[Nerys Myk]

He first appeared as a foe of Green Lantern back in the 1940s.

 

[Hound of UIster]

The stuff with the magic and the origins of the 52' Verse Phatom Stranger and Question (is Renee still Question 2??) were interesting.

We don't know.

I'm really hoping that the Question origin is more related to the Crime Bible-Faceless stuff.

 

[Saga]

@Pyscho Pere the compressed timeline has been an issue fans have brought up and complained about from the start. It's completely silly and implausible IMO, even for a comic book timeline.

 

[Admiral_Young]

Wonder Woman continues to be awesome. I am wondering when we're going to start shifting with all the mythology to the real world. I think we've only seen Steve Trevor in Justice League so far and minor details of Diana's past.

Action Comics was also awesome...I liked President Ellis/Superman and the origin was very cool. I'd love to see more of Earth-23.

 

[PsychoPere]

I haven't gotten to this issue yet myself, but I have read that Steve Trevor also makes an appearance in JL Dark #9, the first issue where Jeff Lemire takes over the title.

 

[Saga]

I haven't gotten to this issue yet myself, but I have read that Steve Trevor also makes an appearance in JL Dark #9, the first issue where Jeff Lemire takes over the title.

he does. he pretty much tells Constantine to get the band back together. it was kind of an odd issue.

 

[Captain Craig]

^^^
I thought it was a good issue. I didn't find it odd, any odder than what or how the characters within the book have been operating thus far.