Back to Seattle. Isnt that here he lived in Grell's series?
How does making it Connor improve or change anything? I can't really see Connor as a world traveling, hitech Industrialist/crimefighter.
DC's New 52: Reviews and Discussion (Spoilers welcolme and likely)
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Actually, I could see that being fun.
An extra fun way to do it would be to have Connor Hawke and Roy Harper inherit equally. He's a Buddhist, he's a heroin addict... they're brothers in charge of a weapons manufacturer!
But is Ollie Queen REALLY dead?
See, I've got 12 issues already, and they're all great.
An extra fun way to do it would be to have Connor Hawke and Roy Harper inherit equally. He's a Buddhist, he's a heroin addict... they're brothers in charge of a weapons manufacturer!
But is Ollie Queen REALLY dead?
See, I've got 12 issues already, and they're all great.
Wait, what? This Green Arrow is Roy? I thought it was Ollie.
Edited to add: Roy is Red Arrow in Red Hood and the Outlaws. Ollie is Green Arrow.
I'm sure the old Superman would still stop him, but the problem is the comics always had him too busy fighting aliens and supervillains and other fantastical things to be bothered with that stuff.
I'm sure it'll be short-lived, but it's really refreshing to see him among real people again, and dealing with more relatable, real world problems.
Maybe she is just stating her brew of choice.
No I mean they're trying to make a younger, hipper Green Arrow, when they already have one. This certainly isn't Ollie. They can call him Ollie, but he's not.
He is now.
How is he not Ollie? Why can't Ollie be young and hip? He was at one time the hippest hero DC had. No reason why he cant be that guy again
Why anyone would want the DC heroes to be a bunch of middle age guys pushing 50 is puzzling. Then again a lot of the fanbase is made up of middle age guys.
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In all honesty I wouldn't be having the same problems with this if they actually had the balls to do a hard reboot. I have a hard time swallowing that Batman and Green Lantern have little to no changes, yet they have a complete reboot of Green Arrow where he's practically unrecognizable.
I actually want them to fully reboot the DCU, if they want to do a reboot at all. It's the halfway stuff that's making this fan uneasy.
I actually want them to fully reboot the DCU, if they want to do a reboot at all. It's the halfway stuff that's making this fan uneasy.
I would have liked a hard reboot too. Even if it means saying goodby to Kyle,Jason, Tim, Damian, Cassie and the rest of the "Next Generation". Though I can deal with the cards we've been dealt. Batman and GLs histories are more or less intact. The rest of the line have histories that are yet to be explored. Not really that big of deal.
Personally, this IS a hard reboot. They are just carrying over the stuff that worked. Which is really sorta what they did the last (2?) time.
After Crisis On Infinite Earths, everyone had to wait and read to see what was kept and what was contradicted.
The same for the whole New Earth thing.
Don't listen to Dido's "relaunch" language--which is really just an appeal to the fan community. It's a reboot. We're just coming in in the middle of the story.
Nerys Myk said:
On the contrary. I want them all to be dead.
But I suppose, failing that, I would prefer them to be old. It's the Watchmen, Sandman, Miracleman, Dark Knight Returns (I could go on) thing: old, tired, broken people tend to be more interesting than young bucks who have only had a few years to develop their neuroses.
Also, if Ted Kord's gonna stay dead, then fuck Ollie Queen.
Which part?
If I could go back in time and steal Mike Carlin's job, I probably still would have brought Superman back to life. He gets a pass, because he's Jesus. I would, however, mandate the term "super-resurrection."
But if I could go back in time and steal Dan DiDio's job, I'd have never brought back, or permitted the return of, Hal Jordan (as contrasted to, importantly, the Green Lantern Corps itself), Barry Allen, Ollie Queen, Bruce Wayne (I know, he wasn't really dead), or Ted Kord. Or anybody.
Except, maybe, I might've, but only on the condition that all of them were reclaimed in Blackest Night. That would've been pretty epic, and not the faux epic creation myth that even Johns has admitted was a bit of a mistake.
If we consider the relaunch as a hard reboot, I have no principled objection to Ollie Queen, etc., being alive again. I only have my preferences there.
As for the old fart preference, I'm a little less serious about that. Any character, or just about any character, is capable of being written in an interesting manner. I might prefer narratives about old people who long for the release of death (my taste in novels and films runs in that direction, too), but that's only because I'm a pessimistic dude.
I wasn't very serious about my Green Arrow/Red Arrow pitch. Or was I? The first chapter could be called "Samsara & Smack."
If I could go back in time and steal Mike Carlin's job, I probably still would have brought Superman back to life. He gets a pass, because he's Jesus. I would, however, mandate the term "super-resurrection."
But if I could go back in time and steal Dan DiDio's job, I'd have never brought back, or permitted the return of, Hal Jordan (as contrasted to, importantly, the Green Lantern Corps itself), Barry Allen, Ollie Queen, Bruce Wayne (I know, he wasn't really dead), or Ted Kord. Or anybody.
Except, maybe, I might've, but only on the condition that all of them were reclaimed in Blackest Night. That would've been pretty epic, and not the faux epic creation myth that even Johns has admitted was a bit of a mistake.
If we consider the relaunch as a hard reboot, I have no principled objection to Ollie Queen, etc., being alive again. I only have my preferences there.
As for the old fart preference, I'm a little less serious about that. Any character, or just about any character, is capable of being written in an interesting manner. I might prefer narratives about old people who long for the release of death (my taste in novels and films runs in that direction, too), but that's only because I'm a pessimistic dude.
I wasn't very serious about my Green Arrow/Red Arrow pitch. Or was I? The first chapter could be called "Samsara & Smack."
I would read Samsara & Smack.
I'd have killed Barry, for sure. That was the one great moment to occur in Crisis.
I really like the idea of Hal's fall and redemption, although 1)I'd have chosen a better name than "Parallax" ("the apparent displacement or difference in the apparent of an object viewed along two different lines of sight, and is measured by the angle or semi-angle of inclination between those two lines"--wow, cool); and 2)yeah, it ought to have been written better, although it had some neat moments.
I'd probably have killed Ted Kord, too. That definitely needed to be written better, but the idea was fundamentally sound.
Bruce Wayne? Maybe. Not via Darkseid, probably a death spiral with the Joker, or Bane. Or, maybe better, a random bullet, ala Black and White.
Ollie Queen? AIDS, obviously.
Steve Mollman said:
Despite myself, I've actually blue-skied half of a plot to the silly thing.
Actually, I wonder if smack sort of dates it. Mark Renton and Sick Boy are pushing 50 these days themselves. Do people even still do heroin anymore?
It was worth Barry's death just for the great story Robert Loren Fleming gave us in Secret Origins Annual #2. The idea was perfectly set up; Barry was bouncing backward in time as he died on his final run, and in those last moments, he turned into the very energy that formed the lightning bolt that gave him his powers. As Fleming summed up - electricity flows in a circuit. In his final sacrifice, Barry Allen showed that he became a super hero because he was willing to be a super hero.
Oh, I almost mentioned that. I love that story. It's a really amazing little closed timelike curve.
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