Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 3
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Their vehicle had a belgian roundel as well.
Did Mick get any good scenes in Episode 1? I'm skipping the episode overall because I loathe that particular cliche (the heroes get forced out by morons then have to get back together to fix what the idiot replacements broke) but Mick is my favorite character so if he got a good scene I'll watch that before episode 2 airs.
If it helps any: the heroes are the ones that come off as the idiots (as usual). The replacements are lacking more in the way of superpowers than brains (so far).
That is more irritating. I mean, I dislike several members of the team, but Mick, Ray, Firestorm (both halves) and Sara (about 3/4th of the time) are very competent and no way does their replacements have anyone remotely as competent unless the writing is just trash. But, that is LoT. Some good characters and writing that stays just this side of crossing the line into being terrible is normal for the show.
Whoever built [the Titanic] ought to be shot, says the funniest professor in the room. 
Is it coincidence Billy Zane guest stars as PT Barnum? 
Is it coincidence Billy Zane guest stars as PT Barnum? 
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Yeah. I love this show.
Yeah. I love this show.
PT Barnum can't catch a superhero. Superman could be exposed to gold kryptonite (which permanently removes his powers in case you don't know) and he still wouldn't get caught by some circus master. Also, Vixen's powers don't possess her and she doesn't rage out, that's not how that has ever worked in any comic I've read with her. Then, we get Rip acting like an ass and sending some toady to spy on the Legends. why can't Rip just come back as Captain? He's much better then Sara, and he might actually do something helpful.
Then, the episode ends with a thing setting up a villain connected to the worst CWDC character, fake old Vixen, grandmother of crappy cartoon Vixen. Yeah, I'm done. Mick, Ray and both halves of Firestorm are great but, to quote a semi-good sci fi movie, they're going down a path I can't follow. Meaning the path of Arrow Season 4 levels of writing. LoT has finally crossed the line into garbage writing that overwhelms the good parts of the show. Its legitimately disappointing, but there is nothing more to do. I'll see them again in this year's crossover, where hopefully the good characters will get some time to shine when writers from the great to decent CW shows get to handle them.
Then, the episode ends with a thing setting up a villain connected to the worst CWDC character, fake old Vixen, grandmother of crappy cartoon Vixen. Yeah, I'm done. Mick, Ray and both halves of Firestorm are great but, to quote a semi-good sci fi movie, they're going down a path I can't follow. Meaning the path of Arrow Season 4 levels of writing. LoT has finally crossed the line into garbage writing that overwhelms the good parts of the show. Its legitimately disappointing, but there is nothing more to do. I'll see them again in this year's crossover, where hopefully the good characters will get some time to shine when writers from the great to decent CW shows get to handle them.
I really wish they could get Megalyn Echikunwoke to appear on this show as Mari. It would've been nice to actually see Amaya's trip to Detroit instead of just hearing about it. Anyway, I wonder if her issue with her powers will have any connection to Mallus's resurrection of her evil granddaughter. (Who was recast, since they couldn't get Anika Noni Rose either.)
Nate was really kind of a jerk here. Being dumped isn't great, but it's no excuse for the way he acted.
And, yes, one of Barnum's circus people was dressed like B'wana Beast. I'm a bit disappointed that he was just an Easter egg instead of actually having powers. A power as weird as his would fit right into this show.
Nate was really kind of a jerk here. Being dumped isn't great, but it's no excuse for the way he acted.
And, yes, one of Barnum's circus people was dressed like B'wana Beast. I'm a bit disappointed that he was just an Easter egg instead of actually having powers. A power as weird as his would fit right into this show.
I gave up on this series when they put seats in the lunar module in season 2. Perhaps I'm too fussy. At least they don't zoom around spacetime in a ship powered by magic mushrooms.
I admit it's been getting tough to watch this show. I scared my wife shouting at the Lunar Module seats. They were taking off in 1/6 gravity - a 3G liftoff from Earth would be 0.5 G here. They didn't NEED them!
Beyond that, it was tough getting through episodes like this. The Legends themselves seem to have a lot going for them on paper, but the show is generally written in order for them to screw up, often in seriously improbable ways. Everyone is charming, but the plot drives the episodes so ridiculously insane I have a tough time suspending any disbelief. I understand they're trying to do a live action Avengers / Justice League every week, but with this writing and on this sort of budget it's just not practical.
Caveat: there were Dragonballs this week. DRAGONBALLS. I laughed.
Mark
Beyond that, it was tough getting through episodes like this. The Legends themselves seem to have a lot going for them on paper, but the show is generally written in order for them to screw up, often in seriously improbable ways. Everyone is charming, but the plot drives the episodes so ridiculously insane I have a tough time suspending any disbelief. I understand they're trying to do a live action Avengers / Justice League every week, but with this writing and on this sort of budget it's just not practical.
Caveat: there were Dragonballs this week. DRAGONBALLS. I laughed.
Mark
Well, it's worth keeping in mind that the starting premise of this series was that Rip selected these particular heroes (at least the first batch of them, aside from the Hawks) because they didn't leave any major imprint on history and thus could be taken out of the timeline without trouble. Which implies that, if they'd just stayed on present-day Earth, they wouldn't have amounted to much as superheroes -- or as supervillains, in Snart & Rory's cases. Sara's an ex-assassin who wrestles with her past and whose ego sometimes gets in the way of her judgment. Ray's a goofball, Stein and Jax argue a lot, and Rory's a fairly dimwitted criminal. Add Nate, a historian who happened to stumble into superpowers. Amaya's the most competent and professional hero of the bunch.
More like Justice League International, really -- a mismatched team of goofball B- or C-list heroes whose adventures tend toward comedy. Although they don't have any team members in common with the JLI. (The closest they come is Sara, since Black Canary was a founding member. And a few other JLI characters have been seen elsewhere in the Arrow-multiverse -- Martian Manhunter and Max Lord in Supergirl, Flash and (soon) Elongated Man in The Flash, a cameo by Doctor Fate's helmet in Constantine.)
Huh? I'm vaguely familiar with that franchise, but I can't figure out what you're referring to in this episode.
In the circus ring, there are several large balls scattered around (the kind tumblers or animals would roll around on). At least two or three are painted yellow with a number of prominent red stars. Like this:
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...est/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140804014711
They're not EXACTLY like them, but I'm sure they were meant to evoke the idea. Glad that a big green dragon didn't show up to grant them wishes, but given this show's pedigree, I wouldn't have been that surprised.
Anyway, even if it's pretty much MEANT to be about a bunch of B-list supers and metas screwing up and then rising above, my patience with their antics and their in-character uncaring about screwing up time is starting to wear thin. At the end of this week, the Waverider openly blasts out of 1870 with regular people watching - which they've done on many, many occasions, despite having a cloak and other gadgets that'd help them stay clear of disrupting the timeline. Maybe "screwing things up for the better" is their thing, and it can be fun to watch, but it's getting harder to watch when they should by all rights be a whole lot better at this by now.
And I also miss Captain Rory. They spent all that time getting him back, only to have him become an antagonist all over again - this time of his own accord? This makes me sad.
Mark
https://vignette.wikia.nocookie.net...est/scale-to-width-down/350?cb=20140804014711
They're not EXACTLY like them, but I'm sure they were meant to evoke the idea. Glad that a big green dragon didn't show up to grant them wishes, but given this show's pedigree, I wouldn't have been that surprised.
Anyway, even if it's pretty much MEANT to be about a bunch of B-list supers and metas screwing up and then rising above, my patience with their antics and their in-character uncaring about screwing up time is starting to wear thin. At the end of this week, the Waverider openly blasts out of 1870 with regular people watching - which they've done on many, many occasions, despite having a cloak and other gadgets that'd help them stay clear of disrupting the timeline. Maybe "screwing things up for the better" is their thing, and it can be fun to watch, but it's getting harder to watch when they should by all rights be a whole lot better at this by now.
And I also miss Captain Rory. They spent all that time getting him back, only to have him become an antagonist all over again - this time of his own accord? This makes me sad.
Mark
Huh? Big balls with stars painted on them are a staple of circuses. I'm sure they have been since long before Dragon Ball was created.
It's not that they don't care if they screw up time, it's that they're overconfident about their ability to avoid or cope with temporal screwups.
You mean Captain Hunter? Rory is Heat Wave. (Yes, I know Arthur Darvill played Rory on Doctor Who, but this show has a different Rory, so it just confuses matters to bring that up.) Anyway, I wouldn't call Rip an antagonist now -- certainly not in the same sense as last season. He's more like a Stern Authority Figure. They're the roguish, trouble-prone private eyes and he's the stalwart police captain who despairs of their methods and tries to rein in their excesses but is basically on the same side.
You weren't alone.Caveat: there were Dragonballs this week. DRAGONBALLS. I laughed.
Mark
https://www.reddit.com/r/dbz/comments/6ozeur/i_guess_the_dragon_balls_have_found_their_way/
Count me among the people who have to frequently remind themselves that "Rory" refers to the big guy who likes fire and not Arthur Darvill's character. He's just too associated in my mind with the Doctor Who character (plus Rip and Rory are both short names starting with the letter R).
I try not to associate actors too much with their past roles, because it seems disrespectful to their work when they're trying to establish themselves in a new role. And Darvill has done that quite successfully, I think. Rip Hunter has such a completely different personality from Rory Williams that I don't think of Rory Williams at all when I see Rip.
Anyway, why is it only Darvill that ever seems to elicit that response from fandom? Brandon Routh was Superman. Purcell and Miller were those guys on Prison Break. Victor Garber was Jack Bristow on Alias. Many of these people have prior roles that they're known for, but I don't see fans constantly equating their current characters with their past ones -- even though the show itself does in-jokes about it sometimes.
Anyway, why is it only Darvill that ever seems to elicit that response from fandom? Brandon Routh was Superman. Purcell and Miller were those guys on Prison Break. Victor Garber was Jack Bristow on Alias. Many of these people have prior roles that they're known for, but I don't see fans constantly equating their current characters with their past ones -- even though the show itself does in-jokes about it sometimes.
Well, I haven't seen ANY of those shows, and I think most people agree Superman Returns was not a good movie. OTOH, Doctor Who is a (generally) good show and Arthur Darvill WAS very good in it. Darvill is a good actor and I don't see Rory in his RIp (sic), except maybe when Rip gets overly flustered, which is pretty much Rory's natural state. :P You're right, it's not fair to callback an actor's previous roles. Mine was not particularly meant as a jab.
As for the show's characters trying really hard and generally failing upwards while doing it, I do get that. What I don't get is the show's general flagrance in not caring about mucking up the timeline. The Waverider frequently sailing off into the sunset in front of the observing public at a given point in history is one thing. Flat out sleeping with historical figures, another (even if potential pregnancy is not often a factor as it's Sarah who did a lot of that). I know they really do mean well, but after two years of trying, you'd think they'd be better at it.
Mark
As for the show's characters trying really hard and generally failing upwards while doing it, I do get that. What I don't get is the show's general flagrance in not caring about mucking up the timeline. The Waverider frequently sailing off into the sunset in front of the observing public at a given point in history is one thing. Flat out sleeping with historical figures, another (even if potential pregnancy is not often a factor as it's Sarah who did a lot of that). I know they really do mean well, but after two years of trying, you'd think they'd be better at it.
Mark