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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

I'm sure you meant before his fiancee died.

But why not try to protect all the baby versions of themselves? The more I try to think about the logic of this episode, the less it makes sense.

It's plot based around time travel and you're expecting it to make sense :)

I remind you again of the quote from Kathryn Janeway

"My advice on making sense of temporal paradoxes is simple: don't even try."

As if the inane time travel logic and Gilligan's Island premise that makes our heroes look like complete fuck-ups weren't enough,

Though given that Rip recruited them in the first place because no-one would really miss them doesn't quite make them fuckups but we're not talking Barry Allen and Oliver Queen either.
 
Which means nothing to the people that they're snatching the babies from or anyone else in the vicinity.

And again, it's not the ethics of the situation as we know it....Stealing people's babies is an inherently squicky act, whatever the in-story rationale.
 
Hospitals in the past.

"Shit we lost a baby!"

"Either everyone is going to get fired, or we slip in that spare orphan baby who's mum just died into that empty crib, and hope no one notices the difference."

At the very least, they chose the parent least likely to cause the hospital shit to have lost the baby, and musical bassinet the bubs around until the new evidence of the crime matches those facts.
 
And again, it's not the ethics of the situation as we know it....Stealing people's babies is an inherently squicky act, whatever the in-story rationale.

And again, trying to murder people's babies is far, far worse. What is it about our society that whenever we look at a situation where people are reacting to a violent act, we treat the violent act as though it were inevitable and unremarkable and instead criticize the people responding to it? Like the other week when that 9-year-old girl reporter got attention for writing a news report about a murder on her street. A lot of people complained that it was inappropriate for such a young girl to get involved in such a sordid affair. Excuse me? Surely the person who killed someone was far more deserving of criticism than the person who reported on it.
 
I'm with Christopher on this one, the intentions behind the act make it creepy, here they were anything but.
 
Did young Sara and young Mick (the actor is 17) get Bizzy?

Two attractive teenagers locked in a steel box for over twenty hours.

Once these kids are returned to the timeline, even with amnesia pills, are their adult selves going to have flutter-flutter heart-heart feelings for each other?
 
That's the other thing I was confused about. All these past selves are meeting their time travelling future counterparts and there's these big sci-fi shootouts. What about the bystanders who didn't an amnesia pill?
 
I'm with Christopher on this one, the intentions behind the act make it creepy, here they were anything but.
It's less creepy and more "why did they waste time trying to steal their older selves, of whom they'd have to actually put effort into not remembering what happened. Especially since after three attempts they just gave up and went after the babies anyway."
 
Because you take away the babies for too long, and their entire lives vanish from the time, and the crew of the Wave rider vanish too. Then all you got is a ship full of babies screaming for milk that is not coming.
 
They could solve the whole thing by letting the Pilgram go back and kill Kendra as a baby. No Kendra, no Savage.
 
Does Vandal savage really need to continually kill these two to propagate his own immortality?

If this was magic, sure, but this is science... Unless their mental beliefs as savages, one step up from cave people, constructed how their dark matter powerset coalesced?

He's been unnecessarily murdering these two for millennia because of coincidence and superstition?
 
Shouldn't Savage be getting weaker by now ("by now" I mean in the future, 2166 or whenever he takes over the world) since by then he hasn't killed either one since 2016. :vulcan:

By removing Kendra from history and letting her skip around the timelines, Savage can't find her and he's missed several generations of killings by now... by then (2166). :shrug:

Also, by not killing Kendra this time around, Carter can't be reincarnated so Savage can't kill him "again". :confused:

ETA

Janeway was so right about this type of thing.

JANEWAY: Time travel. Ever since my first day in the job as a Starfleet Captain I swore I'm never let myself get caught in one of these godforsaken paradoxes. The future is the past, the past is the future. It all gives me a headache.
 
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Well, this was the most comic-booky episode they've ever done... not only on this show, but on any live-action superhero television series ever, outside of maybe the Power Rangers franchise. A giant robot battle? Holy cow. They really pulled out all the stops there. I'm only disappointed that Ray didn't yell "We are cancelling the Apocalypse!"

It's interesting that all the shots of Giant-Ray were CGI -- even the close-up on his face when he was knocked out, when it seems it would've been easier to use live action. Maybe it was to maintain a consistency of focal length and maintain the illusion of vast size? They did do a pretty good job of scaling up the motion, making the giants look massive and ponderous, and giving the Waverider a sense of inertia, so that when the Leviathan swung it around in its hand, it resisted the pull and swung around slowly, rather than whipping around easily like a lightweight toy.

My favorite part, though, was how Snart won over Kassandra. I was so worried they were going to go for a torture-porn scene. I was glad that they went for a more positive kind of persuasion, the kind that actually works in real life -- and it's especially impressive that it was Snart who went the more empathetic route, showing how much he's grown. That was good to see. Though I wish they'd cast a better actress for Kassandra. That pretty much seems to run in the Savage family.

Speaking of mediocre actors, how could Carter be reborn if Kendra has been removed from time and therefore can't technically die? The rule is that the reincarnations aren't triggered until they both die.
 
Putting aside Kendra's apparent inability to put the fate of humanity above her love life...and Rip deciding that they should just attack with no plan three days before his family was set to die...I'm glad Rip finally bothered to capture Savage. Now, let's start weighing options. I recommend a) going a thousand years into the future to see if humanity still exists (as Savage is always talking about playing the long-game and we really don't know what that means...other than the obvious that he is probably head of the time masters) and (if humanity is doing okay post-Savage) b) drop Savage into the sun.
 
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