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Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

Well, this latest episode gave me the perfect excuse to watch the Jonah Hex movie! I'd only seen it once. It's not TERRIBLE... and hey, it's got Michael Fassbender! Is this story line from the comics, because it's the exact same premise as the 1999 Wild Wild West movie.
 
Hey now jonah hex the movieis a guilty pleasure. Love it. But then again most dc movies are guilty pleasures haha. They up there with spawn, the phantom and the shadow movies.

The episode was pretty good. Just a fun time. Its good they did their western episode haha. U know they have to do at least one. It be cool to see jonah hex again though.
 
I actually just watched The Phantom the previous weekend! It's on Netflix. I'm a sucker for any 1930s-esque adventure stories.
 
Once again the philosophical problems of time travel fall flat. Apparently it's fine killing a bunch of people with 19th century technology...but it could create all sorts of problems if you cure somebody with 20th century technology...except when you're creating havoc with 21st century+ technology...because nobody would believe it anyway.

Well in the case of the gang, they probably got into gun fights all the time. So it could be argued that our legends were not influencing the timeline as much by killing them in a gun fight in Salvation or letting the gang die in another gun fight the following week. Saving the boy from tuberculosis was a different matter. Left on his own, the boy was going to die. Using advanced medicine was clearly interfering with the natural course of events. Of course the show turned it into a predestination paradox to cleverly get around the problem. Using 21st tech to defeat the gang was completely clumsy. It was like the writers got stuck and did not know how to finish the story so they said "screw it, let's not even try to explain this one".
 
Usually it's a question of how many babies somebody can generate to establish whether they have long term effects on the time-line beyond their own immediate actions, but these desperadoes are not just murderers, they destroy towns.

Dozens of Towns and thousands of people might make it out of the 19th century who weren't supposed to. Millions of extra people during the 20th century and maybe an extra billion or two people on the planet today.
 
Using 21st tech to defeat the gang was completely clumsy. It was like the writers got stuck and did not know how to finish the story so they said "screw it, let's not even try to explain this one".

They didn't use it to defeat the gang, they used it to defeat the Hunters sent after them by the Time Masters once Chronos/Mick turned. The Hunters used future technology first, so the team had no choice but to respond in kind. So really, it was the Time Masters' own agents who initiated the disruption of the timeline by using future technology, which serves to underline their hypocrisy, I guess.

Of course, the Hunters' costume design was so ragged and un-futuristic that it was hard to distinguish them visually from the 19th-century badmen, so that didn't do much to clarify things.
 
They didn't use it to defeat the gang, they used it to defeat the Hunters sent after them by the Time Masters once Chronos/Mick turned. The Hunters used future technology first, so the team had no choice but to respond in kind. So really, it was the Time Masters' own agents who initiated the disruption of the timeline by using future technology, which serves to underline their hypocrisy, I guess.

Oops. I did not reference the episode correctly. My bad. You do raise an interesting point though. Sending a band of hunters with future tech who will just storm into any town and start shooting could really mess up future. Heck, this new assassin who is going to kill the past selves of our heroes, will really mess up the timeline a lot too. It appears that the Time Masters have become so desperate to stop Rip that they don't appear to care much for protecting the timeline anymore. Well, I guess to be precise, the Time Masters only seem to care about preserving the timeline where Savage conquers the world. Is it possible that Savage conquering the world is an essential event that leads to the creation of the Time Masters and therefore they are trying to preserve themselves? It would explain why they are so adamant in protecting a timeline where an evil dictator destroys the whole world.
 
Well, I guess to be precise, the Time Masters only seem to care about preserving the timeline where Savage conquers the world. Is it possible that Savage conquering the world is an essential event that leads to the creation of the Time Masters and therefore they are trying to preserve themselves? It would explain why they are so adamant in protecting a timeline where an evil dictator destroys the whole world.

There are lots of evil dictators and atrocities and cataclysms in history, so any attempt to preserve the timeline unchanged would entail preserving all those evils along with all the more positive events. Since Savage's rise to power is the specific thing that our protagonists are trying to change, that naturally means that it's the only thing we see the Time Masters trying to preserve. That doesn't mean it's the only thing they are trying to preserve. They might put just as much effort into trying to stop an evil time traveler from killing Abraham Lincoln before he can free the slaves. But we aren't following the adventures of that evil time traveler, so we don't see that side of the Time Masters' activities.

The show's working theory is that "time wants to happen," that changing it on the large scale is hard. Only certain alterations are massive enough to affect its large-scale flow. Many people can be removed from history or killed without having any sizeable impact on the course of future events -- which is why Rip was able to pull the "Legends" out of time in the first place, precisely because they weren't legends and didn't affect history one way or the other. Individual histories can be affected by minor events, like Stein's marriage disappearing because he was late to meet his wife, but they don't affect the grand sweep of the centuries, and so the Time Masters don't worry too much about them. But some individuals, like Savage, can have a much larger impact on history, and some events, like letting Savage get anachronistically advanced technology that he can weaponize or introducing a cure that could save millions who died in the original history, can alter the future to a massive degree. Time resists change, but some changes are big enough to matter, and those are the ones the Time Masters want to prevent.

Indeed, maybe that's why Rip's abduction of Per Degaton didn't change history -- and why killing Per might not have changed it either. Per was just a pawn of Savage. Without him, Savage would've just found another pawn. History's currents are hard to reshape, and only some individuals and events are pivotal enough to do it.
 
Yeah, the time-travel rules just keep getting more and more ludicrous. If they've all been taken out of time now, why haven't they ceased to exist, or had their memories change? How did Rip ever recruit them? I could buy that time travelers are somehow protected from changes to their past by being outside of the timeline, but that doesn't track with Stein losing his wedding ring in the premiere. Or, for that matter, with the whole idea of the Pilgrim targeting time travelers specifically. So why does beating or killing them propagate forward but abducting them doesn't? (Well, at least that's consistent with Per Degaton's abduction not altering history.)
 
I was only half-watching, but didn't Rip make a point of saying that he was safe because there'd be too many consequences to taking a Time Master out of the timeline...then the climax involved offering his younger self to the Pilgrim? They can't even keep things consistent within a single episode.
 
Yeah, I'm really not clear on the consequences of time travel in this show at this point. I'll just watch and try not to think too hard :guffaw:
 
I just watch the show for the visuals now. The final fight with the Pilgrim "freeze framing" everyone was a great homage to the comic book cover style "splash" image of each hero.
 
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