Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1

[Guy Gardener]

Oh no, they said that more to all of her old memories, are going to rear up at some point.

Soon.

The demolishment of Kendra Saunders is a work in progress.

 

[Nerys Myk]

Again, I'm not convinced an actual Egyptian would agree. If anyone reading this is from that part of the world, feel free to chime in. (Although the ethnic composition of the Egyptian population 4000 years ago was probably somewhat different than it is today.)
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As I'm sure you're aware, Egypt and the Mediterranean in general is a crossroad where Europe, Asia and Africa meet and mingle. One of Egypt's most famous rulers, Cleopatra, is a descendant of the Greeks (Macedonians) who conquered the kingdom in 332 BC.

 

[Snaploud]

I'm not sure how Rip Hunter can simultaneously be concerned about disrupting time and totally fine with going back in time to kill off a guy who was apparently responsible for key events in human history. I was expecting some rationale for having to keep Vandal alive until the 22nd century. I figured the plan would be to use time travel to destroy Vandal's support bases in the past so that he would be in a weakened position come the final battle in the future. If that's not a concern, I'm not sure how this show can last for 16 episodes. They might as well just go to one of the events in which he's shown in a historical photo and begin the final battle now. This show can be over in 15 minutes.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Every time Rip makes a noticeable change to the timeline, the future sees and sends soldiers back to iron out the wrinkles Rip has made. Doctor Hunter has to be be like a submarine, hiding perfectly until he's ready to deliver his deathblow.

It's just a question of if the Council of Time Masters are "protected" from temporal revision, or if they are going to be replaced by a different council of Time Masters the instant Rip kills/neutralizes Vandal...

How dumb are the Hawks? If they don't die the moment they were ever supposed to have died, then they reincarnate into the wrong families in the wrong years/generations.

 

[Christopher]

As I'm sure you're aware, Egypt and the Mediterranean in general is a crossroad where Europe, Asia and Africa meet and mingle. One of Egypt's most famous rulers, Cleopatra, is a descendant of the Greeks (Macedonians) who conquered the kingdom in 332 BC.

But we're talking about supposed members of the royal family from more like 2000 BCE. The population would've been a mix of African and Middle Eastern ethnic groups, but I don't think any European groups had come along yet. Heck, the Greeks hadn't even settled Greece yet.

 

[Nerys Myk]

But we're talking about supposed members of the royal family from more like 2000 BCE. The population would've been a mix of African and Middle Eastern ethnic groups, but I don't think any European groups had come along yet. Heck, the Greeks hadn't even settled Greece yet.

West Asian/East European. Where is the actual line? It's a bit of a blur. The West Asian Hykos invaded Egypt circa 1650 BC and ruled as the 15th Dynasty,

 

[Thestral]

On Kendra's memory and free will/fate: this is pretty much the same origin she had in the JSA series back in the early 00s - Kendra Saunders doesn't remember her life as Shayera/Shiera but Carter does. I don't know if they'll go down the same character road for her rediscovering her past lives or not, but I'd be a little surprised. In the meantime, he had to learn to get to know her again as Kendra.

 

[JoeZhang]

That's just a visual conceit for the audience, IMO. Streamlines the story and the budget.

I think they made a story choice and then realised the problem - if you freeze-frame the photo you notice they are darker skinned - however that creates the problem of how far do you go with that without getting into 'blackface'.

 

[theenglish]

Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but I thought that Kendra at least got flashes of her old life in the Flash/Arrow episodes aired before Christmas. So, even if she doesn't remember everything she knows enough to understand that Katar is telling her the truth?

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think they made a story choice and then realised the problem - if you freeze-frame the photo you notice they are darker skinned - however that creates the problem of how far do you go with that without getting into 'blackface'.

I'd prefer staying as far away from "black/yellow/brownface" as possible.

 

[JoeZhang]

Maybe I am not remembering correctly, but I thought that Kendra at least got flashes of her old life in the Flash/Arrow episodes aired before Christmas. So, even if she doesn't remember everything she knows enough to understand that Katar is telling her the truth?

That is a common thing in this type of pilot - you have to repeat plot points because you cannot rely that people saw that.

 

[dahj]

if you freeze-frame the photo you notice they are darker skinned

They aren't.

 

[Arrrrgggh]

I'm not sure how Rip Hunter can simultaneously be concerned about disrupting time and totally fine with going back in time to kill off a guy who was apparently responsible for key events in human history. I was expecting some rationale for having to keep Vandal alive until the 22nd century. I figured the plan would be to use time travel to destroy Vandal's support bases in the past so that he would be in a weakened position come the final battle in the future. If that's not a concern, I'm not sure how this show can last for 16 episodes. They might as well just go to one of the events in which he's shown in a historical photo and begin the final battle now. This show can be over in 15 minutes.

The real question is, if he is unconcerned about it, why not just go back to the day before the meterorite hit and gave all three of them there powers, and off him then?

 

[Tim Thomason]

Well, Rip is a Time Master himself, and he does seem concerned about temporal integrity to a degree. That's why he grabbed these eight "legends" who he admitted won't amount to much in their careers. It's possible he grabbed them the day or so before they all got killed.

Mission #1 seems to have been a simple intelligence operation, gathering everything he could from Dr. Boardman and then dealing with the side issue of Chronos. So I believe his plan might be to stop Vandal Savage at an appointed time and place in the future using knowledge he gained about Savage in some way against him. I'm not sure how. Or maybe they can knock out old Vandal and implant a nuclear grenade in him set to go off on a specific date in January 2166.

That's what I would do if I was Rip. I'd also secretly make a robot copy of my wife and son, and have them be "killed" by Savage, thus convincing my earlier self to go through all those serious dramatic moments.

 

[Christopher]

...but as for Hawkgirl going because she lost a fight...wagering whether or not she'd go on a fight was her idea.

I just rewatched it, and this isn't quite right. It was Carter who first brought up the Hawks' tradition of settling things "like warriors." Kendra was the one who put the specifics into words, but she was just expressing her understanding and agreement with what he was proposing.

Well, Rip is a Time Master himself, and he does seem concerned about temporal integrity to a degree. That's why he grabbed these eight "legends" who he admitted won't amount to much in their careers. It's possible he grabbed them the day or so before they all got killed.

Well, he does need the Hawks specifically, since one of them must kill Savage to end him once and for all. Although maybe the reason he chose this particular incarnation of the Hawks was because they had less impact on history than their previous 206 iterations. If he latched onto them and then just picked a bunch of other people from the same general place and time, that could explain why he chose this team instead of, say, recruiting people from various different centuries. Maybe he wanted to do it all in one time trip so as to minimize the chance of detection by Chronos.

That's what I would do if I was Rip. I'd also secretly make a robot copy of my wife and son, and have them be "killed" by Savage, thus convincing my earlier self to go through all those serious dramatic moments.

Gee, where have we seen that done before in a story that Arthur Darvill was in?

The thing is, though, that wouldn't help all the billions of other people that Savage killed or enslaved, the cities he devastated, etc. Rip wants to prevent that entire future.

 

[Corran Horn]

It's just a question of if the Council of Time Masters are "protected" from temporal revision, or if they are going to be replaced by a different council of Time Masters the instant Rip kills/neutralizes Vandal...

They seem like jerks anyway if the bounty hunter they hired to stop Hunter doesn't mind obliterating people if they don't temporally 'matter'.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Well to be fair, they don't matter.

How hard is it to invent an app?

 

[TemporalFlux]

Looking at the comics, I think the Time Master council is equivalent to the Linear Men (a group Rip worked with but were rigid in protecting history from paradoxes no matter how many people had to die to ensure it). Rip broke away from the Linear Men because of their methods and ideology; he eventually even imprisoned them at the end of time.

Going with the above, the only real Time Master left is Rip; the rest have become the Linear Men whether they call themselves that or not.

 

[Guy Gardener]

Barry has caused/seen a few different timelines, and they can't all lead to the same council of Time Masters.

Timeline AAAA = A Tidal wave destroys central city.

Time Line ABBB = A Tidal wave doesn't destroy Central City, Vandal kills the Hawks, Flash and Arrow.

Time Line ABCC = A Tidal wave doesn't destroy Central City, Vandal dies, and doesn't kill the Hawks, Flash and Arrow.

 

[Christopher]

They seem like jerks anyway if the bounty hunter they hired to stop Hunter doesn't mind obliterating people if they don't temporally 'matter'.

I'm reminded of the Red Dwarf villain who went through time hunting down people who'd wasted their lives and erasing them from existence.