Spoilers DC's Legends of Tomorrow - Season 1
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They can drop him anywhere or freeze him in ice or basically do anything and then some time in the future travel back to a point right afterward and retrieve him if necessary.
Mick was their Wolverine.
When they needed the field of play leveled before the valuable players enter the game, he takes care of business.
When they needed the field of play leveled before the valuable players enter the game, he takes care of business.
What about Banner?
^Splitting hairs I know, but that's not so much reluctance to kill than it is guilt after the fact. Reluctance to do something requires one to be able to choose. Banner has no choice (at least early on) when he becomes the Hulk as to whether or not anyone is going to die. He just tried to avoid the situation from ever coming up.
Also, he was fully prepared to kill Wanda as Banner after what she did to him in South Africa.
Also, he was fully prepared to kill Wanda as Banner after what she did to him in South Africa.
It's not after the fact if he proactively doesn't even want to be the Hulk.
You mean like in the first movie where he showed he had good control over being able to switch back and forth, and then proceeded to do exactly that, with the very first action him doing was killing something?
It's true, it was a bit strange that the cold gun ran out of juice so easily when it's never had problems before. (And was perfectly fine again later in the episode)
Generally, I think the whole 'code against killing' thing is great for certain characters, but there's no real reason it should be applied to all superheroes. It has been applied to them all in the past, obviously, because they were characters specifically designed to be sold to little kids, but they're not just for little kids anymore, so if the other aspects of the characters can evolve and be modernized, I have no problem with doing away with the killing ban for those characters in whom it doesn't really make sense. And I would say the vast majority of the marvel characters currently out there fall into that category: a lifelong weapons manufacturer, former assassin, former spy, former revolutionary, norse god raised in a warrior culture, uncontrollable rage monster, and a combat veteran whose very first act of heroism was volunteering to go to war and kill people. Plus the Guardians - a whole team of thieves, assassins, bounty hunters and murderers.
Which is not to say that they should kill at the drop of a hat (and they don't) but in a combat situation, I have no problem with it.
I'm curious, though - why is it ok for Jessice Jones to just be reluctant to kill, even though she did kill in the end, but Superman doesn't get any credit for his reluctance?
And who did Ant-Man kill? I haven't seen it since it was in theaters, but the only thing I can think of is Yellow jacket, whose death seemed highly debatable (both in terms of whether he's actually dead or not and whether Scott actually had any idea what the conseqeunces of his action would be).
Anyway, coming back to this thread, this team seems more along the lines of the Guardians model than the Daredevil model (villains, warriors, assassins), so I don't see a huge problem with it here, either. Perhaps the Atom or Firestorm should be a little more concerned about that - but then again, their entire mission is based on killing a man, so they know what they signed up for.
Interesting how Heatwave pushed Captain Cold to side with the heroes more and more.
I think Snart is beginning to like it to do good, he just can't quite admit it yet.
Certainly a nice redemption character arc.
The episode itself was a lot of fun. A nice break from the Vandal Savage story.
I think Snart is beginning to like it to do good, he just can't quite admit it yet.
Certainly a nice redemption character arc.
The episode itself was a lot of fun. A nice break from the Vandal Savage story.
I like how Rory, a big dumb thug with a fancy gun, was the equal to Sarah's hand to hand combat. That was very good writing, no doubt about it.
Honestly while I was watching, I had thought Rory had had an epiphany of sorts after he was informed that he had the I.Q. of meat, and that he had come up with an idea of how to save everyone. But nope, turns out he really did just have the I.Q. of meat.
Also, why the hell wasn't Gideon able to detect that there were multiple people on the shuttle? I mean, she clearly was able to tell that Rory was hurt before he arrived, but I guess all the other people onboard were magically invisible to sensors or something?
Speaking of Gideon, I'm doubly curious why she's onboard the Wave Rider now. She has the exact same voice as Eobard's version, implying that she's the same AI, which in turn implied that she was the standard AI of all future tech (ridiculous as that was to begin with). But now we know that's not the case and each ship has its own unique AI. So how did the one Barry invented hundreds of years ago wind up on the Wave Rider?
Honestly while I was watching, I had thought Rory had had an epiphany of sorts after he was informed that he had the I.Q. of meat, and that he had come up with an idea of how to save everyone. But nope, turns out he really did just have the I.Q. of meat.
Also, why the hell wasn't Gideon able to detect that there were multiple people on the shuttle? I mean, she clearly was able to tell that Rory was hurt before he arrived, but I guess all the other people onboard were magically invisible to sensors or something?
Speaking of Gideon, I'm doubly curious why she's onboard the Wave Rider now. She has the exact same voice as Eobard's version, implying that she's the same AI, which in turn implied that she was the standard AI of all future tech (ridiculous as that was to begin with). But now we know that's not the case and each ship has its own unique AI. So how did the one Barry invented hundreds of years ago wind up on the Wave Rider?
The English actress with an English accent Amy Pemberton is Gideon on The Waverider.
The Brazilian Actress with an American accent Morena Baccarin is Gideon in Thawn's Time Vault.
Barry will have had lived in the Future, and will have had worked in the future, which is most likely when he invented this AI technology, around about the same time Barry pissed off Eobard into becoming a big bad and starting a time war.
The Brazilian Actress with an American accent Morena Baccarin is Gideon in Thawn's Time Vault.
Barry will have had lived in the Future, and will have had worked in the future, which is most likely when he invented this AI technology, around about the same time Barry pissed off Eobard into becoming a big bad and starting a time war.
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Maybe "invented" comes down to: Customize your 24th century Siri?
Well, if by "will have lived in the Future" you mean "will actually grow older and might one day visit his distant future a few times," sure. But even if he did travel into the future at which point he decided to invent an AI, it's still absurd to think that he -- a forensic scientist -- would be more intelligent, skilled, and proficient at AI design than the teams of computer and software engineers from that same future with entire lifetimes of experience and specialized knowledge and familiarity with the technology.
It'd be like saying that if Sherlock Holmes or Nikola Tesla traveled from Victorian England to 2016, he'd walk into Intel and pop out an advanced A.I. in ten minutes flat. Because, you know, they were geniuses in their own time (and fictional universe for the former). Hell, you could replace them with Babbage himself, and it'd still be absurd.
Mini-rant aside, I just don't understand why they would have said Gideon was the brainchild of Barry at all. What possible use is that to the story?
Well, they have Barry shown working on genius level with short memory knowledge. All he has to do is refresh the memory every half an hour or so by superspeed reading advanced physics books because he couldn't retain the knowledge.
As long as he kept doing that he was able to keep up with Wells.
That means he actually is a genius, because he was able to understand and apply the knowledge just fine.
Given enough time studying in normal speed he just might be a Wells level genius scientist.
As long as he kept doing that he was able to keep up with Wells.
That means he actually is a genius, because he was able to understand and apply the knowledge just fine.
Given enough time studying in normal speed he just might be a Wells level genius scientist.
I thought this was a fine bottle episode. I chuckled with the Star Trek references and Ray Palmer and Kendra referencing Kirk vs Picard.
I doubt they killed Heat Wave. Geoff Johns is too much a Rohue's fan to let Captain Cold (his all time favorite DC character) kill another Rogue like that. My guess is Cold took him to the past and froze him with the intent to revive him later.
I doubt they killed Heat Wave. Geoff Johns is too much a Rohue's fan to let Captain Cold (his all time favorite DC character) kill another Rogue like that. My guess is Cold took him to the past and froze him with the intent to revive him later.
We saw him speed learn post-string-theory Physics in seconds.
Sure it didn't stick, but that's because he didn't spend a weekend reading the book.
We don't know how long Barry lives in the future, pissing off Thawne, or how many different futures Barry lives in later on in his life, but if the Flash spends/lives his 30s through 70s during 2155 to 2195, that is more than enough time to pick up the lingo and relearn Science.
Sure it didn't stick, but that's because he didn't spend a weekend reading the book.
We don't know how long Barry lives in the future, pissing off Thawne, or how many different futures Barry lives in later on in his life, but if the Flash spends/lives his 30s through 70s during 2155 to 2195, that is more than enough time to pick up the lingo and relearn Science.
I actually found the plethora of Trek and Star Wars references in this episode to be a bit grating...like they trying to hard to pander to the likes of us.
Every time I read someone's post about Rory in this thread, for a second or two I think they're talking about Arthur Darvill.
