This was the most I’ve seen Arrow do arrow things all season. And we even got some Arrow season 1 music which was cool. Good start to the event.
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This was the most I’ve seen Arrow do arrow things all season. And we even got some Arrow season 1 music which was cool. Good start to the event.
I loved the first two episodes. It was just like reading a comic book crossover special. I liked the opening scene with the different settings - Central City to Star City to 12th century England to National City. It was interesting to see how the different characters like Sara and Alex interacted.
Though I felt the Dominator arc last year had more to offer in terms of the lineup. Ray, Amaya, and Zari(?) were among those who were absent. This is a major crisis, and they can use all the suits at their disposal. I can see from a production standpoint, they didn't want to go overboard budgetwise, but it would've been easier to exclude secondary characters like Joe West's girlfriend or Martin Stein's family and focus more on the leads from Team Arrow, Team Flash, the Legends, and of course, Supergirl. This was only the first half, so I'm hoping to see Diggle and the others.
Though I felt the Dominator arc last year had more to offer in terms of the lineup. Ray, Amaya, and Zari(?) were among those who were absent. This is a major crisis, and they can use all the suits at their disposal. I can see from a production standpoint, they didn't want to go overboard budgetwise, but it would've been easier to exclude secondary characters like Joe West's girlfriend or Martin Stein's family and focus more on the leads from Team Arrow, Team Flash, the Legends, and of course, Supergirl. This was only the first half, so I'm hoping to see Diggle and the others.
I was thinking the same, but I guess they didn't like the commercial connotation of Uber, given its current cultural significance
Yeah! Dam those women and their dam leezbian relations! Why don't you crawl back under a rock unless you've got something a little more coherent to say?
it would have been really odd for Joe's girlfriend not to be at Barry and Iris's wedding. The mix of characters at the wedding were appropriate. They were all the characters that really knew Barry and Iris. Barry and Iris don't really know Steel, Atom, or Vixen. They've met them briefly during last year's crossover of course, but is that necessarily enough to invite them to your wedding? The only conspicuous absence at the wedding was Diggle.
I'm not watching Flash, Arrow, and Legends this season (save for Matt Ryan's upcoming appearances on the latter), but I still really enjoyed Night 1 of Crisis on Earth-X, and can't wait for Night 2.
The problem with Alex/Sara is that Alex has become such a one dimensional character that she might as well have "gay" tattooed on her forehead, wear an shirt that says "gay," and have Cisco rename her "Gaywoman."
It's all she is. The writers seem obsessed with Alex being gay and no, being sick of it does not involve any homophobia, but more of a tiring of having this character, who is not the focus of the show, being constantly the focus so the writers can pat themselves on the back on how pro gay they are.
Compare Alex to Sara. Sara is bi, but clearly likes girls better. Yet unlike Alex, she is not defined by her orientation. Sara is a fierce fighter, a leader, and has so many other traits besides being gay. Alex is gay. That's it. She just whines about her relationship, and they have to work something in about it every time she is on screen.
I realize some people have to get offended at anything that isn't pro-Alex, but there comes a point where maybe they should focus more on the actual story than taking constant time outs to once again remind the viewer that Alex is gay. The character has harmed the show she is on and I believe the ratings reflect that.
And yes, the line about one night stands being a male thing was sexist. I don't believe feminism involves sexism against men. Plus, I don't think a straight male can have a one night stand without a willing female, so no, it's not a guy thing.
As for the rest of the crossover, other than making Oliver X invincible, I thought it was excellent. The first fight at the wedding was very exciting. The interactions were great. The stakes are high. I didn't like the big fight in Arrow as much, because it was too cluttered, but overall, terrific, aside from the forced hookup.
It's all she is. The writers seem obsessed with Alex being gay and no, being sick of it does not involve any homophobia, but more of a tiring of having this character, who is not the focus of the show, being constantly the focus so the writers can pat themselves on the back on how pro gay they are.
Compare Alex to Sara. Sara is bi, but clearly likes girls better. Yet unlike Alex, she is not defined by her orientation. Sara is a fierce fighter, a leader, and has so many other traits besides being gay. Alex is gay. That's it. She just whines about her relationship, and they have to work something in about it every time she is on screen.
I realize some people have to get offended at anything that isn't pro-Alex, but there comes a point where maybe they should focus more on the actual story than taking constant time outs to once again remind the viewer that Alex is gay. The character has harmed the show she is on and I believe the ratings reflect that.
And yes, the line about one night stands being a male thing was sexist. I don't believe feminism involves sexism against men. Plus, I don't think a straight male can have a one night stand without a willing female, so no, it's not a guy thing.
As for the rest of the crossover, other than making Oliver X invincible, I thought it was excellent. The first fight at the wedding was very exciting. The interactions were great. The stakes are high. I didn't like the big fight in Arrow as much, because it was too cluttered, but overall, terrific, aside from the forced hookup.
Hey, nobody's talking about the waitress at the wedding who seemed oddly enthusiastic to talk to Barry. One guess who she is:
Meanwhile, those 5-second Black Lightning teasers they keep showing are tantalizing but frustrating. I hope they're building up to the debut of a full trailer tonight.
The German name would be Überfräu, I think, if you interpret "girl" as "young woman." If you're gonna translate half, might as well translate the whole thing. (I would've thought Überfräulein, but apparently that term of address has fallen out of favor because it's seen as condescending. Übermädchen would be the literal translation, but that would refer to a girl child.)
Anyway, if Kara-X's pod crashed in "the Fatherland," why doesn't she have a German accent?
Not yet. White Canary said "Where's their Arrow?" during the big diversion fight with the other villains.
I loved it that the location captions were rendered in each show's title font.
I woulda liked to see a lot more of that one...
But seriously -- the previews had gotten me thinking about how similar Sara and Alex were -- both badass warrior women with no superpowers but unstoppable fighting skills, and both into other women, of course -- but what's impressive is that pairing them off has revealed how much they aren't the same, with Alex being much more insecure about her sex life and her identity. It shows how good the character writing is on these shows, that bringing together the two most similar characters was an opportunity to explore their differences.
Team Arrow's on board as of the end of Part 2, and we know they're part of the story going forward, at least in Part 4. The Legends will all be there for the finale too, although I'm surprised we didn't even get a token scene for some of them yet.
It is a surprise that Ray wasn't at the wedding, though, since he's moderately well acquainted with Team Flash.
If Diggle were going to appear, it would presumably have been in Part 2, which was technically an Arrow episode. Then again, it looks like Joe and Wally are only in Part 1, which was a Supergirl episode.
She must be Barry and Iris's daughter from the future. I was wondering if speedster powers were hereditary, but she didn't join in the superfight, so either she's not a speedster or she didn't want to change history.
Meanwhile, those 5-second Black Lightning teasers they keep showing are tantalizing but frustrating. I hope they're building up to the debut of a full trailer tonight.
The German name would be Überfräu, I think, if you interpret "girl" as "young woman." If you're gonna translate half, might as well translate the whole thing. (I would've thought Überfräulein, but apparently that term of address has fallen out of favor because it's seen as condescending. Übermädchen would be the literal translation, but that would refer to a girl child.)
Anyway, if Kara-X's pod crashed in "the Fatherland," why doesn't she have a German accent?
Not yet. White Canary said "Where's their Arrow?" during the big diversion fight with the other villains.
I loved it that the location captions were rendered in each show's title font.
I woulda liked to see a lot more of that one...
But seriously -- the previews had gotten me thinking about how similar Sara and Alex were -- both badass warrior women with no superpowers but unstoppable fighting skills, and both into other women, of course -- but what's impressive is that pairing them off has revealed how much they aren't the same, with Alex being much more insecure about her sex life and her identity. It shows how good the character writing is on these shows, that bringing together the two most similar characters was an opportunity to explore their differences.
Team Arrow's on board as of the end of Part 2, and we know they're part of the story going forward, at least in Part 4. The Legends will all be there for the finale too, although I'm surprised we didn't even get a token scene for some of them yet.
It is a surprise that Ray wasn't at the wedding, though, since he's moderately well acquainted with Team Flash.
If Diggle were going to appear, it would presumably have been in Part 2, which was technically an Arrow episode. Then again, it looks like Joe and Wally are only in Part 1, which was a Supergirl episode.
I haven't even begun to think about the waitress. I believe she is on the side of good, but I won't read spoilers. I'm guessing she is a descendant of Barry's, but I'm hoping they aren't changing Bart Allen's gender.
No... There is another.
Bart has a cousin in the Legion of Superheroes, in the 31st century.
Bart has a cousin in the Legion of Superheroes, in the 31st century.
I was just about to bring her up...and was thinking the same thing.
Isn't that whole world the Fatherland at this point?
Do they have to change it to "motherland" if a lady rises to power.
Or is a female leader still called "Father"?
Shouldn't aliens be considered vermin, and put down?
Hitler had been deee... 13 year old Kara X should have been similar to the pleasant 13 year old Kara 38 who Crashed into Earth 38. If Kara X was already a violent psychopath, then that may mean that Krypton X was run by Zod or Astra, and it was it's own similar kind of Fascist hell hole.
No Astra/Indigo alliance, no Delay.
Kara and Clark would have arrived at the same time in the 1970s during Adolf Hitler's reign.
Kara X is looking good for a girl pushing 50... Or is that why she got the solar radiation poisoning, from trying to turn back the clock, because she doesn't like how young her Husband is...
I think that Kara X may be property.
Falling for the king of the entire planet?
How likely is that?
Or the magic womb that pushes out god babies, is always the property of whosoever happens to be the fuhrer to make sure that the powerful "alien mongrel halfbreeds" are loyal to their "father" even if they are not actually really people?
Or is a female leader still called "Father"?
Shouldn't aliens be considered vermin, and put down?
Hitler had been deee... 13 year old Kara X should have been similar to the pleasant 13 year old Kara 38 who Crashed into Earth 38. If Kara X was already a violent psychopath, then that may mean that Krypton X was run by Zod or Astra, and it was it's own similar kind of Fascist hell hole.
No Astra/Indigo alliance, no Delay.
Kara and Clark would have arrived at the same time in the 1970s during Adolf Hitler's reign.
Kara X is looking good for a girl pushing 50... Or is that why she got the solar radiation poisoning, from trying to turn back the clock, because she doesn't like how young her Husband is...
I think that Kara X may be property.
Falling for the king of the entire planet?
How likely is that?
Or the magic womb that pushes out god babies, is always the property of whosoever happens to be the fuhrer to make sure that the powerful "alien mongrel halfbreeds" are loyal to their "father" even if they are not actually really people?
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Well, no, the whole world is ruled by the Fatherland, but an empire like that would tend to hold up its ruling country as more important than the rest. That's part of how it would maintain its dominance. And Kara-X did specifically say she landed in the Fatherland instead of being shaped by "Americana," so she does perceive a difference.
Hm, I guess that would mean Overgirl doesn't go by Kara Danvers, since she wouldn't have been raised by the Danvers family. I guess she'd be Kara Queen now, but I wonder what her maiden name was.
It just occurred to me to wonder what happened to Earth-X's Barry Allen. Probably Thawne killed him. As for Earth-X's Sara Lance, well, I doubt a bisexual woman would've been treated well in a Nazi-ruled reality.
Kara would have been raised as a Queen or a Merlin, which would account for the similar clustering.
Oliver might have been her brother, like Barry and Iris were Brother and sister.
If Moria raised Overgirl, and Malcolm Merlin didn't beget Thea with her, what with the pieces on the board being so different, then the name Thea was left available, and more appealing than the alien name "Kara Zor-El" came to Earth with.
Oliver might have been her brother, like Barry and Iris were Brother and sister.
If Moria raised Overgirl, and Malcolm Merlin didn't beget Thea with her, what with the pieces on the board being so different, then the name Thea was left available, and more appealing than the alien name "Kara Zor-El" came to Earth with.
Fantastic crossover so far. So many perfect moments. Some great character moments. Epic fights. The only weakness was the Olicity talk about marriage in part 2 kinda slowed down the episode a bit IMO. Part 2 did suffer a bit from the Arrow's style of a lot of mumbling and brooding so I rate part 2 just a bit under part 1. Can't wait for part 3 and part 4.
Singh really didn't recognise Heatwave?
One of the best scenes was when Oliver arrives late on the motorcycle and says "Remember. Superspeed. I don't have it."
Some more thoughts--
There are 53 Karas?
If that's so, where is Kara of Earth 1?
Why didn't anyone ask that?
Why didn't Earth X attack Earth 38, as Earth 1's Kara has not revealed herself yet, and why hasn't anyone thought about seeking out Superman or Supergirl on Earth 1?
Did Krypton 1 not explode?
What happened to Earth X's Superman?
I know the writers don't want to explore these things, but they are legit questions.
There are 53 Karas?
If that's so, where is Kara of Earth 1?
Why didn't anyone ask that?
Why didn't Earth X attack Earth 38, as Earth 1's Kara has not revealed herself yet, and why hasn't anyone thought about seeking out Superman or Supergirl on Earth 1?
Did Krypton 1 not explode?
What happened to Earth X's Superman?
I know the writers don't want to explore these things, but they are legit questions.
Well that was a much more consistent and coherent multi-show crossover than last time. Approaching the whole thing as a sort of mini-series instead of a plot-thread relay race works *so* much better IMO.
I'm assuming given that Kara is a General that the Fuhrer is Kal'El? Seems like the obvious choice. Incidentally we also got tacit confirmation of an Earth-1 Kara, both from Well's line and the fact that Ollie managed to get his hands on Kryptonite which requires 1) Krypton. 2) Krypton exploding. and 3) Something transporting the resulting green rocks to Earth. Typically Kara and/or Kal-El's pod.
Given the casting and the character's choice of words, I just assumed it's their daughter, or decedent from the distant future.
I'm assuming given that Kara is a General that the Fuhrer is Kal'El? Seems like the obvious choice. Incidentally we also got tacit confirmation of an Earth-1 Kara, both from Well's line and the fact that Ollie managed to get his hands on Kryptonite which requires 1) Krypton. 2) Krypton exploding. and 3) Something transporting the resulting green rocks to Earth. Typically Kara and/or Kal-El's pod.
Given the casting and the character's choice of words, I just assumed it's their daughter, or decedent from the distant future.
Pretty sure Evil Tommy specifically said that all lands are now "The Fatherland". So wherever she landed, it would have been under Nazi control for generations.
The other Axis countries as well as neutral countries... Would have fallen into line quickly.
Superman is in a cave being milked, or he's dead, because they tried his heart first.
Superman is in a cave being milked, or he's dead, because they tried his heart first.
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