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Spoilers DC TV Arrow/Flash Universe Crossover Discussion

You keep saying it's "rebooting the whole history" -- can you write a short synopsis showing what would be different? Because I don't see what major changes would happen. A couple of throwaway lines and a few good gags would have to be ignored... but no different (in impact) than Star Trek TOS inconsistencies
It's fine the way it is. Zero compelling reason to have a merger (and several against one). Chief among them is resisting the impulse to further shrink an already "small universe". Crossing dimensions is already easier than hailing a cab. I'd prefer it be MORE difficult, frankly.
 
It's fine the way it is. Zero compelling reason to have a merger (and several against one). Chief among them is resisting the impulse to further shrink an already "small universe". Crossing dimensions is already easier than hailing a cab. I'd prefer it be MORE difficult, frankly.
"Earth-38 and make it snappy. There's a extra 20 in it, if you get me there in under a second"
 
On the one hand I'd probably prefer one big happy universe. (Happy? Oh, sorry, I forgot: CW.)

On the other hand, they dumb down Barry, Kara, and Clark's powers too much as it is. Putting them all on the same Earth would require more ignoring than we already have.
 
You keep saying it's "rebooting the whole history" -- can you write a short synopsis showing what would be different? Because I don't see what major changes would happen. A couple of throwaway lines and a few good gags would have to be ignored... but no different (in impact) than Star Trek TOS inconsistencies

I already did in laying out, specifically, the history of the two Earths as it concerns the existence of and public knowledge about the existence of aliens and Metahumans and the way that the narrative of each series is tied into those things.
 
One big happy multiverse is even better.
I like the multiverse. I'm just conditioned that Superman and The Flash live in the same one. I admit that the current status quo has advantages.

OTOH, I enjoy the little continuity drops that Arrow, Flash, and Legends get to do that Supergirl doesn't. They're stupid (it's ALLLLLL Cisco!) but I enjoy them.

I'm so torn!
 
^ But Barbara hasn't even been born yet, and if she did come along, she'd be a child. Of all the Batman characters, Batgirl is among the least likley to interfere with Gotham. The only block I can see is if there are any legal issues in place that favors Gotham or if the DCEU folks have plans.
 
One big happy multiverse is even better.
One big happy universe within a big happy multiverse is even better still :techman:.
You know I could always hop over to an alternate universe where the Arrowverse is all located on the same Earth to see what it is like. Whilst I'm there I'll try and find an overhead crowd photo for Hillary Clinton's inauguration to compare and contrast with Donald Trump's on our Earth :devil:. Ahead Irony factor 4 ;).
 
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Didn't Arrow already drop a Barbara Gordon reference? Something about the hacker name "Oracle" already being taken? That plus I there was an obvious allusion to Batman on Supergirl not that long ago.

I know it'll likely never happen for various reasons, but in my head I like to think that in both Earth-1 & Earth-38 Bruce Wayne/Batman has been around for decades at this point, but managed to stay sufficiently in the shadows that to the wider world he's still just a criminal underworld legend. So that means Nightwing should be a contemporary of Green Arrow, not Batman.

Of course with a multiverse and time travel a staple of this franchise they can pretty much do anything they want including a classic 1940's era version of Batman, guns and all. Actually, I wonder what the rights issues with Terry McGinnis might be? That might have some potential.
 
Since we have a new Black Canary now, I'm rooting for a Birds of Prey show once Arrow ends, with her, Batgirl and Huntress :techman:
 
The first mini-trailer is out:
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Didn't Arrow already drop a Barbara Gordon reference? Something about the hacker name "Oracle" already being taken?
I don't remember that but it sounds like something that could be waved away if they ever wanted to bring in a non-Oracle Babs.

I know it'll likely never happen for various reasons, but in my head I like to think that in both Earth-1 & Earth-38 Bruce Wayne/Batman has been around for decades at this point, but managed to stay sufficiently in the shadows that to the wider world he's still just a criminal underworld legend. So that means Nightwing should be a contemporary of Green Arrow, not Batman.
That's how I see Batman as well. I wouldn't mind seeing Nightwing make an appearance on Arrow but I don't know if I'd want a show about him because he comes off as too similar to Ollie. Batgirl on the other hand would make for a nice contrast to Supergirl.
 
Didn't Arrow already drop a Barbara Gordon reference? Something about the hacker name "Oracle" already being taken?

I think that was just an in-joke by the writers, a wink to the audience to lampshade the fact that they couldn't get clearance from DC to use Oracle as Felicity's code name. It doesn't mean they literally intended for Barbara Gordon/Oracle to exist on Earth-1. After all, that would be a bit redundant, since Felicity already is the equivalent of Oracle, even to the extent of going through a very compressed version of Barbara's paralysis and recovery.


That plus I there was an obvious allusion to Batman on Supergirl not that long ago.

In that case, it seems more clear that it was explicitly intended to indicate Batman's existence, especially since they've name-dropped Gotham a couple of times.



Of course with a multiverse and time travel a staple of this franchise they can pretty much do anything they want including a classic 1940's era version of Batman, guns and all.

Batman made some very infrequent use of guns in his first year, from 1939 to early 1940, but that was cracked down on before the character was even a year old. So despite the revisionist history advanced by some modern fans, it isn't accurate to say that 1940s Batman was characterized by gun use. That was an artifact of the character's rough beginnings when he was basically just a stock pulp crimefighter and hadn't yet developed his distinct identity. And even in that first year or so, although he killed a lot of villains through various means, intentional and otherwise, he only rarely used guns to do it, and usually against nonhuman foes like vampires. More often he did things like kicking a fight opponent off the edge of a roof, snapping a shooter's neck with a kick, swapping clothes with an unconscious guard so that the guard would get mistaken for him and shot dead, and in one rather ghastly example, pushing a giant statue down onto a whole bunch of caricatured Asian villains. (Or was that Superman? I forget.) But guns were never a regular part of his repertoire even at his pulpiest.

For most of the 1940s, Batman was a fairly upbeat, heroic crimefighter partnered with Robin, the Boy Wonder (The Sensational Character Find of 1940!), engaging in witty banter with his boy sidekick as they fought evil with their fists, brains, vehicles, and gadgets. This version of Batman and Robin started appearing on the Superman radio show in 1945, although without much in the way of gadgets.
 
Didn't Arrow already drop a Barbara Gordon reference? Something about the hacker name "Oracle" already being taken? That plus I there was an obvious allusion to Batman on Supergirl not that long ago.

I know it'll likely never happen for various reasons, but in my head I like to think that in both Earth-1 & Earth-38 Bruce Wayne/Batman has been around for decades at this point, but managed to stay sufficiently in the shadows that to the wider world he's still just a criminal underworld legend. So that means Nightwing should be a contemporary of Green Arrow, not Batman.

Of course with a multiverse and time travel a staple of this franchise they can pretty much do anything they want including a classic 1940's era version of Batman, guns and all. Actually, I wonder what the rights issues with Terry McGinnis might be? That might have some potential.
There was also a 'cameo' by Harley Quinn in the first Suicide Squad Arrow episode. However Cisco made a couple of jokey Batman references during the first Flash/Arrow crossover episode when they visited the first 'Arrow cave' beneath Verdant.
 
There was also a 'cameo' by Harley Quinn in the first Suicide Squad Arrow episode.

Good point... the implied existence of Harley implies the existence of the Joker, which implies the existence of Batman. Although that's some triple-ply implying.
 
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