Every single episode should have that moment inserted randomly.
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Every single episode should have that moment inserted randomly.
You forgot Supergirl. And next time with MM, Mon-El, Alex and Guardian... and Superman!!!
So a threeway team fight?
Or mix up the teams entirely depending on what issue they are fighting over.
So a threeway team fight?
Or mix up the teams entirely depending on what issue they are fighting over.
Meh... The movies have already had heroes fighting in earnest. In the spirit of the Berlantiverse, if the heroes do have a contest, it should be like one of those goofy Silver Age stories where they're competing for charity and some bad guys try to sabotage it. I mean, the part I most wanted to see more of in part 1 was the training session against Supergirl.
At least, it should be something like Captain America: Civil War where it's a philosophical conflict among people who mostly like each other and want to get along. What was great about this crossover was the sense of community, the teams meshing so well and having fun working and chatting and partying together. They had serious discussions and conflicts over Barry's Flashpoint actions, and there were smaller personality clashes like Supergirl/Heat Wave and Wild Dog/all the metas, but they didn't come to physical blows over it and they eventually worked through it. So I'm not sure I want to see a story where they get divided so profoundly that it results in actual fighting.
That still seems unnecessarily complicated.
BTW, I created my own viewing order (focusing strictly on the live-action elements of the Arrowverse) that has a simpler sequential layout and is current up through Invasion, and can post it if anybody is interested.
They have an hour to fill. With that line up the fight would be over before the opening credits.
I'm probably not going to start a thread but this Crossover finally started getting me to watch Arrow. Saw up to episode 3 so far and Dig finding out Oliver is Arrow. Also, I'm looking forward to the episode where Felicity actually becomes Felicity we know and love. What an awkward first encounter that was. 
Enjoy!
The 100th episode kinda made me wanna revisit the earlier seasons, I've never actually rewatched the show since the first viewing, so I might just do that during the hiatus if I manage to find the time, if not there's always the summer break
I loved the crossovers
That was indeed a funny line, still hurts that Routh couldn't play Superman again
So Supergirl reminds Brandon Routh of his cousin.
That was indeed a funny line, still hurts that Routh couldn't play Superman again
^ Or... now that a full-fledged Superman has finally appeared on the CW, and there are multiple Earths... could he?
(No, probably not.
)
I gotta say, overall I was disappointed with this event. Way too much stuff thrown at us much too fast, and speaking as a non-comics guy who recognized the shape of the team HQ building from Robot Chicken but didn't care, very little of it connected. (So Barry owns another massive building, and he never realized it? Okay...)
(No, probably not.
)I gotta say, overall I was disappointed with this event. Way too much stuff thrown at us much too fast, and speaking as a non-comics guy who recognized the shape of the team HQ building from Robot Chicken but didn't care, very little of it connected. (So Barry owns another massive building, and he never realized it? Okay...)
The Hall of Justice originated in the '70s Super Friends cartoons, not the comics. It has appeared in comics in the '90s and '00s, but as a nostalgic nod to the old Saturday morning cartoons.
He owns STAR Labs. STAR Labs owned more than one building. And obviously Barry was aware the building existed, or he wouldn't have known to assemble the team there.
^ Ragman has a magic costume, not inherent superpowers.
But that wasn't the issue for Remy. His problem wasn't with powers, it was with people who were innately different from the human norm. It was straight-up xenophobia. Someone who has a problem with aliens or metahumans can be fine with a normal human who gets power from a magical or technological source, because that person is fundamentally still "one of us." When Rory takes the rags off, he's just a guy, same as the rest of the team. But the Flash and Cisco and Supergirl are intrinsically different as people and can't remove that difference. That's what a xenophobe can't accept.
I've just rewatched the three parts of the crossover this afternoon (the Supergirl scenes having been repeated in The Flash), and I enjoyed it. There were some things that I felt could have been done though I accept time and/or the availability of certain cast members would have made these things difficult or impossible.
Firstly I thought it might have tied Supergirl into the crossover if the WMD that her birth father had been working on on Krypton - Medusa - had been designed as a result of the Dominators' invasion of Krypton. Secondly although she seemed to get over her angst-ridden feelings about her father and his role in all that, perhaps Kara could have benefitted from hearing Oliver talk about his father's sacrifice as well as Barry.
It might also have been interesting if Alex had not hooked-up with Maggie Sawyer in the Supergirl episode (but she did in a future one) but instead had been at Kara's apartment when Barry & Cisco appeared and accompanied her back to Earth-1 and had had a chance to interact (and that's not a euphemism) with Sarah Lance, perhaps got her advice.
Speaking of Sarah, given that she just happened to be in the 'temporal neighbourhood' perhaps Thea could have mentioned to her that her father had fallen off the wagon and she could have gone and seen him about his drinking.
At the end when Kara is talking to Oliver & Barry about how it's only her and Superman on Earth-38 she could have said:
"Oh, and there's this guy in Gotham, who from what my Cousin says is a lot like you Oliver. Only his schtick is bats rather than bows and arrows." Given the Gotham reference in the Supergirl season opener and the reference to 'that other other city where they wear masks' in season one, I thought that could be awesome.
Then of course there's Lynda Carter playing the new Earth-1 president (by the way what happened to Obama is he another Flashpoint victim?).
As for future crossovers, I don't know where they're going with the Guardian thing on Supergirl but assuming Kara discovers Jimmy is the Guardian perhaps an episode (it might only need to be a cameo) in which Oliver is brought to Earth-38 to lecture/mentor Jimmy. I'd also like to see Superman hope universes and appear in Earth-1. Speaking of Superman I thought of how they could do a spin-off show. instead of it being on Earth-38, it could be on Earth-1 with it being that world's Superman played by Tyler Hoechlin. The Earth-1 Clark has not made his debut and is keeping is existence secret. Perhaps the events of the crossover are the catalyst for his coming out to the world. For the rest of their seasons you could have The Flash, Arrow and DC's Legends seed their episodes with references to Superman such as talking about Metropolis, Lex Luthor, The Daily Planet etc. Thus you could have a show that begins with the beginning of Superman's career and since Superman/girl age more slowly, he'd still be young and dynamic. Anyway those are just a few thoughts of mine. If these have come up in the existing threads for the existing shows I can only say I've been avoiding those threads as they're spoilery and we're a couple of weeks behind you with the episodes.
PS I loved Ray's comment at the end that Kara reminds him of his cousin.
Firstly I thought it might have tied Supergirl into the crossover if the WMD that her birth father had been working on on Krypton - Medusa - had been designed as a result of the Dominators' invasion of Krypton. Secondly although she seemed to get over her angst-ridden feelings about her father and his role in all that, perhaps Kara could have benefitted from hearing Oliver talk about his father's sacrifice as well as Barry.
It might also have been interesting if Alex had not hooked-up with Maggie Sawyer in the Supergirl episode (but she did in a future one) but instead had been at Kara's apartment when Barry & Cisco appeared and accompanied her back to Earth-1 and had had a chance to interact (and that's not a euphemism) with Sarah Lance, perhaps got her advice.
Speaking of Sarah, given that she just happened to be in the 'temporal neighbourhood' perhaps Thea could have mentioned to her that her father had fallen off the wagon and she could have gone and seen him about his drinking.
At the end when Kara is talking to Oliver & Barry about how it's only her and Superman on Earth-38 she could have said:
"Oh, and there's this guy in Gotham, who from what my Cousin says is a lot like you Oliver. Only his schtick is bats rather than bows and arrows." Given the Gotham reference in the Supergirl season opener and the reference to 'that other other city where they wear masks' in season one, I thought that could be awesome.
Then of course there's Lynda Carter playing the new Earth-1 president (by the way what happened to Obama is he another Flashpoint victim?).
As for future crossovers, I don't know where they're going with the Guardian thing on Supergirl but assuming Kara discovers Jimmy is the Guardian perhaps an episode (it might only need to be a cameo) in which Oliver is brought to Earth-38 to lecture/mentor Jimmy. I'd also like to see Superman hope universes and appear in Earth-1. Speaking of Superman I thought of how they could do a spin-off show. instead of it being on Earth-38, it could be on Earth-1 with it being that world's Superman played by Tyler Hoechlin. The Earth-1 Clark has not made his debut and is keeping is existence secret. Perhaps the events of the crossover are the catalyst for his coming out to the world. For the rest of their seasons you could have The Flash, Arrow and DC's Legends seed their episodes with references to Superman such as talking about Metropolis, Lex Luthor, The Daily Planet etc. Thus you could have a show that begins with the beginning of Superman's career and since Superman/girl age more slowly, he'd still be young and dynamic. Anyway those are just a few thoughts of mine. If these have come up in the existing threads for the existing shows I can only say I've been avoiding those threads as they're spoilery and we're a couple of weeks behind you with the episodes.
PS I loved Ray's comment at the end that Kara reminds him of his cousin.
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Has there ever been a reference to President Obama in the Arrowverse? As far as I can tell, there hasn't been, as far as Earth-1 is concerned. We know from Cat Grant's various monologues that Hillary Clinton ran for president in 2008 on Earth-38, and that Bernie Sanders is a current political figure there, but a female president was mentioned as early as "Red Faced," so if Obama did run against Clinton and win in '08, then presumably he was a one-term president replaced by Marsdin in '12.
Where it gets tricky is over in the Marvel Cinematic Universe, because a character in Luke Cage made a reference to Obama even though we know the president there is Ellis.
Obama could have been a 1 term president, replaced by Ellis, perhaps, in the same way you just suggested fo Marsdin?
To a previous post; I don't think that is Lynda Carter on Earth 1.... I believe they thought about doing it, but thought it would be confusing, and they went with a different female VP on Earth 1.
To a previous post; I don't think that is Lynda Carter on Earth 1.... I believe they thought about doing it, but thought it would be confusing, and they went with a different female VP on Earth 1.
In Season 1, Tommy made an offhand reference to the United States now having a black President, but that in addition of itself isn't specifically an overt reference to Obama.
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