Why should this list matter? It's merely the opinion of one person or an editorial staff. I don't see any reason why anyone should just blindly accept it.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Why should this list matter? It's merely the opinion of one person or an editorial staff. I don't see any reason why anyone should just blindly accept it.
There isn't one and, personally, I stopped caring about these kind of lists a long time ago.
But that also doesn't mean there's anything wrong with other people wanting to talk about it.
You know, I'm starting to think that those who are wondering if maybe Batgirl was even (qualitatively) worse than the other DCE movies that came out have a point…
Well, Superman wins by default, being the template for every following "serious" superhero movie. The point is how to consider others. For their intrinsic quality, detached from their historical importance? For what did they mean to the films that came after?
If you consider this last factor, one should probably rank very high:
- X-Men (1999) (pretty much the first serious superhero film since the disasters of the last Batman and which everyone agrees helped to restart the genre)
- Spider-Man (2002) (the template upon which all subsequent post-2000 superhero films were based)
- Iron Man (2008) (Maybe people don't remember it, but aside from its importance as the founding film of the MCU, it came out in a period of superhero "fatigue". People wondered if the genre hadn't already reached its limits. It definitely kick-started the new Golden Age of filmic superheroes).
Being a template or groundbreaker is overrated. Quality and refinement are just as important as proof of concept. I wouldn't put the Reeve films in the top ten at all.
Well you aren't the only one
Agree or disagree with him, the USA Today writer's placement of Superman '78 does not rely on its "template" status. That was a factor Skipper introduced to the discussion.
And I wasn't responding to him or his list. As I said, I don't care about these lists in general as they pretty much always feel like completely arbitrary commercially mandated click generators anyway. But actual conversations from regular people with no commercial motive like the folks in here is something worth engaging in for me.
As damning indictments go, that ... isn't one.
If you believe that, then you should take your own advice and stop being so triggered by the opinion of individuals who disagree with some random list with the Donner film at the top.
Agreed. If I had to rank it among superhero films (or all adapted superheroes, including TV) released up to this year, its not in the top 15 or 20 by any stretch of the imagination. Among films of the 1970s, it would not rank among the top 50 or 60 films.
Pretty much. Taste and/or good judgement do not take their formation or conclusions from lists of that kind.
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Who?
I'm really sorry that your internet connection can't afford to download the full posts
Ok, far enough
Or maybe too far.Ok, far enough
Yes, I made a non-sensical joke about a typo. That's what I do, accept me as I am.
To the extent that any list like this matters, it serves to generate conversation. No one here is ‘blindly accepting it’. I suspect however that it is probably reflective of a more mainstream view of these movies. Mileage will vary.