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It is funny that Gunn said this whole new Superman is set in his early days as Superman when MoS was the very start, the future movies being his early days. Not really reinventing the character there.

I just wish Marvel felt the same way with Parker and Mary Jane. I’m getting really fed up with all these contrived stories of keeping them apart.
I don't think it's set that early in Superman's career. Gunn been pretty clear Superman will be a a few years into his career as a hero and reporter (as Clark).
 
But most recent film and TV adaptations of the characters have seen the classic "triangle for two" as something to be avoided. Man of Steel had Lois figure it out shortly after their first meeting.

Probably the only time other than Smallville that Lois has learned Clark's secret before he became Superman. And it was cool the way she tracked him down by being a good journalist, as opposed to the usual thing of the world's greatest investigative reporter being blind to the secret right under her nose. There's a lot I hate about Man of Steel, but that's one of the parts I love.

Incidentally, that's another change in Lois's portrayal that the Donner movies codified, if not originated. In the early years, Clark was the celebrated newsman and Lois was the "girl reporter" pounding on the glass ceiling and trying to prove she deserved to cover the same serious news pieces as the men, but usually getting sabotaged by Clark unfairly scooping her on Superman stories. By the Bronze Age, she was being portrayed as a celebrated reporter in her own right, but still less so than Clark. I think the '78 movie was the first notable version of the origin story where Lois was already a Pulitzer-winning, world-renowned investigative journalist from the start, with Clark being the one struggling to catch up with her (and still cheating to gain an advantage). That, too, was carried forward by Byrne, Lois & Clark, etc. and became part of her standard portrayal.


And Superman & Lois made the smart and charming decision to have Lois fall hard for Clark, not Superman, to the extent she doesn't even care that Superman might be interested in her -- though Clark reveals the truth to her anyway as soon as their relationship starts to get serious.

Shifting Lois's love interest from Superman to Clark began with the '86 John Byrne reboot and has mostly been carried forward since then. Although having Lois not be interested in Superman at all is kind of a novel twist.


Not only is the "triangle for two" rather dated and potentially problematic as you note, I think narratively it's always better when Lois knows, so she and Clark can function as full and equal partners.

I think it's always better when characters are in the loop. If they're out of the loop, there's really only one story you can tell about the relationship -- how the hero hides their secret. We've seen over and over that characters get far more interesting storylines when they're brought in on the secret. I still think the best thing that ever happened to the character of Aunt May was J. Michael Straczynski having her discover that Peter Parker was Spider-Man and become his ardent supporter and confidante, rather than just the clueless old lady he kept in the dark.


It is funny that Gunn said this whole new Superman is set in his early days as Superman when MoS was the very start, the future movies being his early days. Not really reinventing the character there.

Except we never really got the chance to see much of the early days of that version of Superman. MoS was all about how he became Superman; he didn't get the job at the Planet and settle in Metropolis until the very end. Then BvS reduced him to more of a MacGuffin than a character, a catalyst and symbol that other characters reacted to, and he didn't really do or say much of anything until he died. (I think he had fewer than 65 lines in the entire theatrical cut.) Then the theatrical Justice League basically rewrote the continuity to ignore the whole "early days" thing, ditching BvS's portrayal of Superman as a controversial figure and retconning him into someone so long-established and universally beloved that his death threw the world into a deeper despair than humanity had ever experienced. And of course, he had a limited presence in that movie, being dead for the majority of it, so again, we never really got much chance to explore his life.

So a movie that actually explores Superman/Clark's life and relationships a few years into his career, instead of jumping right from his beginnings to his death, would indeed be something the previous movies didn't do.
 
It is funny that Gunn said this whole new Superman is set in his early days as Superman when MoS was the very start, the future movies being his early days. Not really reinventing the character there.

I just wish Marvel felt the same way with Parker and Mary Jane. I’m getting really fed up with all these contrived stories of keeping them apart.

The problem isn't the pairings, it's the unoriginal writers who just don't know HOW to write Superheroes who are in healthy relationships.
 
There's more Batman than Flash in the Flash poster.


I think most people overlooked Flash's new accessory on his suit

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The Realist said:
Man of Steel had Lois figure it out shortly after their first meeting.

But the Snyderverse version is kind of a different animal because the first meeting is with a mystery man who has heat vision, she doesn't know Clark, and what she has to figure out is the mystery man's "real" identity. There's no point where she knows Clark but doesn't know he's Superman.
 
Except we never really got the chance to see much of the early days of that version of Superman. MoS was all about how he became Superman; he didn't get the job at the Planet and settle in Metropolis until the very end.

But we did see the early years of Clark Kent/Superman in "MoS". Through flashbacks. And we saw his early days as Superman, as well.
 
But we did see the early years of Clark Kent/Superman in "MoS".

We saw the early years of world traveler Clark Kent, yes. But we didn't see the early years of Metropolis citizen Clark Kent working for the Daily Planet, covering stories alongside Lois and Jimmy, and fighting crime as Superman. That status quo wasn't established until the very end of the movie, and the next movie spent very little time on it, as I said. So we haven't seen an entire movie that was about that phase in the life of the DCEU Superman. We saw its beginning, its end, and its restart, but we didn't spend any time exploring it in depth. I mean, they bloomin' killed the guy in his second outing. It is therefore incorrect to say that a movie exploring that phase of Superman's life in depth would be rehashing the DCEU. On the contrary -- it would be covering what the DCEU barely touched on.
 
But the Snyderverse version is kind of a different animal because the first meeting is with a mystery man who has heat vision, she doesn't know Clark, and what she has to figure out is the mystery man's "real" identity. There's no point where she knows Clark but doesn't know he's Superman.
True, but it has the same effect of eliminating the old-school "triangle for two" as a plot point. In fact, it makes Lois Clark's only real ally and confidante (except for Martha) from the get-go, immediately establishing a unique and powerful bond between them. It's the single best narrative and character choice in Snyder's films.

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True, but it has the same effect of eliminating the old-school "triangle for two" as a plot point. In fact, it makes Lois Clark's only real ally and confidante (except for Martha) from the get-go, immediately establishing a unique and powerful bond between them. It's the single best narrative and character choice in Snyder's films.

I agree. That's why I hope this new movie doesn't go back to the secrecy/triangle status quo, unless it's about Lois finding out and the relationship developing.

I think it would be cool to give Lois Lane a solo movie that's simply about her being a kickass reporter uncovering some huge story, like maybe exposing Luthor as a criminal. Then in the sequel, this new mystery hero Superman shows up to save her from Luthor's revenge or whatever, and she investigates him and gets suspicious about her new coworker Clark...
 
I think it would be cool to give Lois Lane a solo movie that's simply about her being a kickass reporter uncovering some huge story, like maybe exposing Luthor as a criminal. Then in the sequel, this new mystery hero Superman shows up to save her from Luthor's revenge or whatever, and she investigates him and gets suspicious about her new coworker Clark...
Christ, I would kill for that. :eek:
 
That poster looks to me like a fan mashup, pasting a shot of Supergirl from somewhere else and a blurry enlargement of the Flash logo onto the original poster. And dressed it up to look like a scratched-up poster insert someone pulled out of a movie magazine and hung on their wall. It also lacks the company logos that were along the bottom of the original poster. And the Supergirl pose is a standard male-gazey "show off the woman's butt" pose, yet it's covered by the logo in a way that defeats the purpose, so I doubt they were meant to go together. It resembles this piece of fan art, though it's not quite the same.
 
That poster looks to me like a fan mashup, pasting a shot of Supergirl from somewhere else and a blurry enlargement of the Flash logo onto the original poster. And dressed it up to look like a scratched-up poster insert someone pulled out of a movie magazine and hung on their wall. It also lacks the company logos that were along the bottom of the original poster. And the Supergirl pose is a standard male-gazey "show off the woman's butt" pose, yet it's covered by the logo in a way that defeats the purpose, so I doubt they were meant to go together. It resembles this piece of fan art, though it's not quite the same.

Almost certainly a fake, yes
It did however, get me more excited about this movie again. Because with the entire shitshow around Ezra and the hype around Keaton returning, I keep forgetting we're getting a new Supergirl.
 
Because with the entire shitshow around Ezra and the hype around Keaton returning, I keep forgetting we're getting a new Supergirl.
Because we're getting a new Supergirl, I forget everything else.
The Flash trailer

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Damn right, it is. :techman:
 
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