DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Sounded right to me.
You would. You prefer the older version.Sounded right to me.
I will always love Williams's theme, it's iconic and will forever be a part of childhood. But yes, it should have been something from MoS.
Sounded right to me.
For nostalgia and such, sure. But when using Cavill's take on the character but use a different theme.... Meh. Felt kinda wrong for me.
I think they used the William's theme to underline the idea that this would be a more classic take on Superman as opposed to Snyder's more divisive take.
Technically the Williams theme had already been used with Cavill at least once before...
We do not talk of the heresy.
And Tom Welling. And Brandon Routh. And Seinfeld.
It's SUPERMAN'S theme. Not any of the actor's.
It's SUPERMAN'S theme. Not any of the actor's.
This!
Brandon Routh was a continuation of that movie series so it make sense there. Smallville was a series inspired by the ‘78 movie so I can understand why it was used there. The other Superman projects like Lois and Clark, the animated series and various movies have not used that theme.
Yes. It used to be normal for each new Superman production to have its own theme. Williams's theme itself was an homage to the first two notable Superman themes, Sammy Timberg's theme to the 1940s animated shorts (later adopted by the radio series) and Leon Klatzkin's theme to the George Reeves series. Those were the ones that set the precedent for the heroic march style that Williams emulated, along with other composers like Ron Jones (the 1988 animated series, using both the Williams theme and a Jones theme that meshed smoothly with it), Kevin Kiner (the '88 Superboy series), Jay Gruska (Lois & Clark, a favorite of mine), and Shirley Walker (Superman: The Animated Series). (Incidentally, Kiner reused his 1988 Superboy theme for the different Superboy in the current Titans series.) I've always liked the way composers get to create their own distinct entries in the subgenre of Superman themes, so it feels lazy to me just to rehash the Williams theme -- and ignorant of Superman history to assume the Williams theme is the automatic default. I wouldn't say Zimmer's MoS theme is one of the best Superman themes, but it was fairly good when it was given a chance to develop toward the end of the film and in the credits, and it would've been nice to hear more of it.
Nope. Every Batman had his own theme. And there have been, as @Christopher said, plenty of incarnations of Supes with a different theme.
And every James Bond actor shares a theme. There are examples on both sides.
But, yes, as Christopher corrected me, there were themes for the character well before Williams and will be well after.
Just not any as good or memorable.
(Personal preference, obviously. But then, I've never really liked anything by Zimmer in the past and can't stand that many modern composers just try to ape his style. But will acknowledge he is enormously talented.)
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I think it's more a case of rights issues. Considering how late in the game this cameo was done they might not have been able to use the MOS theme.
And every James Bond actor shares a theme. There are examples on both sides.
But, yes, as Christopher corrected me, there were themes for the character well before Williams and will be well after.
Just not any as good or memorable.
There's something to be said about the theory that James Bond is not a individual but a codename (and number) given a new 00 agent after the death of the previous one. King's Men played on this with having agents recruiting their successors and be given the same title.
But I see your point. I also personally feel that while the Williams theme is more classic heroical, the MoS theme has something more hopeful to it. A key part of what Superman represents.
I also need a huge bag of Doritos and good ipa's and a MoS/BvS/JLSC marathon.
There really, really isn't.
I never said it was a positive thing.
To be fair, I'm not a James Band fan. I've heard about this theory and as a non-fan I thought it sounded fun.