Very well said.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Very well said.
And if some didn't insist that their experience of the source material is the only possible and legitimate experience or continually rant about how the version of a character they dislike must be considered an unequivocal failure and should never be allowed to referenced in any way.
God yes! Why is it so hard for people to accept different opinions on certain characters? I can understand you have a personal preference, but why would one take is personal when their point of view isn't agreed on?
Or insist that nobody wants to see the versions they don't favor (usually while talking to someone who clearly does).
Probably because people feel dismissed. Online discussions are so impersonal that there is a feeling of dismissal of a work (or variation of a work) and there are a lot of emotions wrapped up in this thing (comics, Star Trek, Star Wars, Tolkien...take your pick. There's plenty of more). It's kind of an immature attachment to the subject matter that the only way it can be successful is if all acknowledge it's greatness and my feelings on the matter. A more mature view is recognizing that not every point of view is going to be shared. But, since this feels so personal on the one hand, yet people take opinions so personally when they can't be possibly personal on the other, it creates a lot of emotional reactivity.
AKA years of certain people going on and on about their hatred of Snyder's DC films, Snyder as a person, and the expected ad hominem route taken against fans of his DC films.
Apparently, WB head David Zaslav, DC Studios co-chair Peter Safran and MoS-producer Chris Nolan had lunch with Steven Spielberg. This caused a bit of internet speculation that they were discussing the new Superman movie, which in turn started some new speculation that Spielberg might direct it. Again, speculation, and probably a lot of wishful thinking involved, as well.
It can, quite literally, be anything. Doesn't even have to be movie related. Though it definitely could.
He might have been. But he has also shifted his focus in film making from fantasy/scifi, although he has made a few of those in the last fifteen to twenty years. He could be in talks to act as a producer though.
It just stuck in mind because he's one of my favorite directors, and I was kind of disappointed since that meant he was probably never going to direct and MCU or DC movie, which I would have loved to see. At least with Martin Scorsese he really wasn't the type to direct those kind of movies, so I wasn't to disappointed.
Nolan's likely never going back to WB. A Nolan/Spielberg collab is a fans dream come true though
Give Scorsese a Punisher or Daredevil movie to direct. Spielberg is good for the schadenfreude of the reaction it will invoke in some people. Might be a good way to get a DC movie into Oscar contention anyway.
And Westerns were popular for several decades.
The thing is, though, that superhero movies aren't one genre -- they're every genre. Superhero comics evolved in the era when comic books covered multiple genres from crime to sci-fi to fantasy to romance to comedy to Western to historical to horror, and all of those genres ended up getting folded into superhero universes. So superhero movies and TV shows can encompass just as broad a range of genres, as we've very much seen in the MCU Phase 4.
So I think it's naive to say that audiences will eventually lose interest in superhero movies as a category, because superhero movies can encompass every category, and can adapt endlessly to suit shifting audience tastes.
So I think it's naive to say that audiences will eventually lose interest in superhero movies as a category, because superhero movies can encompass every category, and can adapt endlessly to suit shifting audience tastes.
The difference is that the capacity to produce--overproduce superhero content in this century has never been witnessed before; with the Western, there was always states of waxing and waning, from its pre-television peaks with features and serials, to its steady decline in the 60s - 80s (with its presence on TV almost entirely fading in the 70s), to little comebacks in the decades to follow, so it never regained the cultural footing it had in the first few decades of commercial film.
For superhero films, its road to the issues Spielberg addressed occurred under far different circumstances: even if one sets aside the significant number of big-budget, pre-"cinematic universe" superhero films released early in this century (e.g., the Raimi Spider-Man trilogy, Lee's Hulk, the Blade sequels, Daredevil, Elektra, Superman Returns, the X-Men films, etc.), once Nolan's Batman films made their game-changing impact for the perception / potential for superheroes on film (and Nolan being one of the DCEU's founders), studios went "superhero-crazy" in trying to mine as many comic book IPs as possible, even with characters few of the mainstream audience did not know (Iron Man being the best example). Add TV (network, basic cable and streaming), and there's only been a rapid increase in superhero content (not including what is in production, but yet to be released).
Even if one acknowledges some productions ending (e.g., Marvel's Netflix, basic cable and network TV series), the mass cancellations of the CW/DC series (with some final nails in that coffin to come in 2023, if one believes the rumors), superhero content continues to overflow with no end in sight, with more platforms for simultaneous mass production in ways the Western never enjoyed and any concentrated manner. Even as a great number of this genre's adapted output is--frankly--puerile, studios have glued their collective fingers to the "go" button. There's no end in the foreseeable future, which is a distinct difference between the arcs of filmed superhero and Western genres.
Oh, OK, that's not as bad as I thought. I thought he was had more or less called them trash that only idiots liked. Which would have been kind of hypocritical since stuff like Jurrasic Park or Ready Player One aren't really that far off from superhero movies.