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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

Mr. Adventure said:
AFAIK, at this point, everything but possibly Justice League is still canon within the DCEU, isn't it? Is this just about Snyder's changes to JL or more than that?
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Movie series "canon" is a flexible thing. Later sequels often ignore earlier sequels (Highlander, Halloween, Terminator), play fast and loose with chronology or continuity while pretending to be consistent (Universal Monsters, James Bond, Planet of the Apes), or simply miss the point of the originals (e.g. TRON Legacy claiming Kevin Flynn was some kind of champion of open-source software when he was actually trying to get the money he was owed for his stolen creation).

So there's no reason a future film couldn't cherrypick bits and pieces from both versions of Justice League and try to split the difference. Something similar happened in the movie Godzilla: Tokyo S.O.S. It's set in a continuity that includes the first Godzilla and Mothra movies but diverges from the original timeline afterward, in that there were no Godzilla attacks between 1954 and 1999. Yet at one point, a returning character from Mothra recognizes Mothra using an attack that she only used in 1964's Mothra vs. Godzilla, which never happened in the movie's continuity. It could be that the writers simply forgot the continuity discrepancy, or it could be that they cared more about homaging past movies than being nitpicky about continuity.
 
Mr. Adventure said:
The statement in question is in the comic Batman tells Flash, "Listen to me, Barry -- you went toe-to-toe with the worst the universe had to offer and saved this planet.". I have no particular feelings towards whether or not Snyder is canon on not but this statement seems tenuous, I could see being hopeful but I wouldn't consider it definitive.
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Being a prequel to the Flash movie, and considering the period of time the film follows, it would not be a stretch to assume Batman was referring to the Flash's actions in ZSJL--the only point of reference that would make sense to the reader / movie audience.

AFAIK, at this point, everything but possibly Justice League is still canon within the DCEU, isn't it?
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At this point, no one has officially said it was not canon. Further, with the Batman appearances in Aquaman 2 and The Flash, along with Waller being in Black Adam, one would not be dreaming up anything to believe its confirmation of a continuing universe.
 
I don't think anybody is arguing that Justice League isn't canon. But it appears so far that it is the theatrical version and not Zack Snyder's Justice League that is being used as canon for upcoming movies.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
I don't think anybody is arguing that Justice League isn't canon. But it appears so far that it is the theatrical version and not Zack Snyder's Justice League that is being used as canon for upcoming movies.
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Yeah, I could've worded that better, that's what I meant when I said the only thing that seemed in question was Justice League.
 
DigificWriter said:
Which 'it' are you referring to?

Warner Bros./DC Films' official stance is that only the Theatrical Cut of Justice League is Canon, and that has not, to my knowledge, changed.
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Mr. Adventure posted:

AFAIK, at this point, everything but possibly Justice League is still canon within the DCEU, isn't it?
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My reply agreed that WB has not said the DCEU films produced up to this point are no longer canon. Regarding ZSJL, again, this goes back to the Flash prequel tie-in comic, which makes a reference to Barry's actions in that film, not the theatrical version, or so its been interpreted as the HBOMax film now considered canon by various channels discussing the comic.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
I don't think anybody is arguing that Justice League isn't canon. But it appears so far that it is the theatrical version and not Zack Snyder's Justice League that is being used as canon for upcoming movies.
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Presumably, yes. But future filmmakers could still nod to elements of the Snyder Cut if they wanted to, because fiction is flexible.
 
At this point, if it got rid of Zaslav I'd be all for Comcast buying WB/Discovery. People that complain about stuff like that really don't have a leg to stand on in this case, considering the fact that WB is metaphorically being burned down for the insurance money at this point I don't things can go much worse for the properties or most of the people working on stuff for WB/Discovery right now. At least NBCUniversal is competent, and isn't run by a reality show producing idiot who legitimately hates scripted programming.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
Going back to broader matters, Comcast is apparently seeking to buy Warner Bros. Discovery, though it will take until April 2024 legally for this to be even feasible, with some antitrust hurdles still in the way even then. It would also mean another major studio being swallowed by a competitor, after the Disney/Fox deal a few years ago.
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Oh, good grief, it's like the cartoon of the progressively bigger fishes all swallowing each other up.
 
Kai "the spy" said:
I don't think anybody is arguing that Justice League isn't canon. But it appears so far that it is the theatrical version and not Zack Snyder's Justice League that is being used as canon for upcoming movies.
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Some guy named ... *checks notes* ... ah, yes, Zack Snyder has explicitly stated as much:
Warner Bros told me when I started this process [of releasing ZSJL] that they consider the theatrical cut as canon to their DC Universe that they want to build out and that my version will always be like this outworld non-canon version.
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https://deadline.com/2021/03/zack-s...fisher-cyborg-joss-whedon-hbo-max-1234716917/

Besides which, Snyder's cut is specifically contradicted by Aquaman in at least one important narrative particular (Mera is an orphan in ZSJL, whereas her father is a major player in the events of Aquaman).
 
Corporations buying up other companies is not a concern, as its been a practice for generations (see: Gulf+Western buying Paramount, Desilu, etc., eventually rebranded as Paramount Communications and Viacom buying controlling interest, and so on, all the way to this century's acquisitions) and will continue. For scripted material, my only concern is the quality of content and consistency of vision--rare for any studio today, no matter which corporate entity is pulling the reins.
 
TREK_GOD_1 said:
Corporations buying up other companies is not a concern, as its been a practice for generations (see: Gulf+Western buying Paramount, Desilu, etc., eventually rebranded as Paramount Communications and Viacom buying controlling interest, and so on, all the way to this century's acquisitions) and will continue. For scripted material, my only concern is the quality of content and consistency of vision--rare for any studio today, no matter which corporate entity is pulling the reins.
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Saying that the creative side will function just as well with less competition is so naive that it's very hard to believe that an adult even uttered such a thing.

EDIT: Also the good ol' "everything is fine because things like that happened before" argument. Cannot be serious!
 
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