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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

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And in general Warner Bros handling of the DCEU has failed on both of those metrics overall

The absolute facts demonstrate otherwise.

Truth is not easy to accept. The DCEU did not need 30 films to craft a tight, coherent comic universe where characters are not reduced to jokes / shells of their source, and come as close to how fantastic beings would operate in the world as opposed to joke-machine cartoon characters.
 
Truth is not easy to accept. The DCEU did not need 30 films to craft a tight, coherent comic universe where characters are not reduced to jokes / shells of their source, and come as close to how fantastic beings would operate in the world as opposed to joke-machine cartoon characters.
Still waiting for someone to present these "absolute facts" -and not a bunch of subjective commentary.
 
I guess from a financial pov they're going to want The Flash to introduce the Keaton Batman and save it for that.

I was thinking at this point after multiple X-Men continuities, standalone Joker and Batman movies, Batwoman and Titans having their own Bruce Waynes, multiverse shenanigans and so on I bet audiences now could roll with it (just releasing Batgirl w/o Flash). Hell, the Batgirl directors said they don't even know how Keaton ends up in their movie. I think the press wouldn't be able to let it go though and would focus on it too much.

Seriously, just put a note on screen at the start reading "In this movie, the part of Bruce Wayne/Batman will be played by Michael Keaton."
 
No, they have not. Most are not watchable, obviously not as theatrical releases, and not even as background noise on a TV. Its largely a sea of simplistic, creatively challenged flash and explosions with no attempt at heart or substance.
Have to completely disagree, I have been consistently impressed with the quality and depth of the MCU's stories, characters and that they've managed to fit those in with some outstanding action and special effects.
 
Truth is not easy to accept. The DCEU did not need 30 films to craft a tight, coherent comic universe where characters are not reduced to jokes / shells of their source, and come as close to how fantastic beings would operate in the world as opposed to joke-machine cartoon characters.

No, they failed to make a tight coherent comic universe at all.
 
Yeah, I think the fact that they have mostly stepped back from making a huge, interconnected universe, and are doing mostly stand alones now is pretty clear evidence of that.
And to be clear, I'm not saying they're stepping away from it completely, but it's not their main focus, the way the MCU is for Marvel.
 
And to be clear, I'm not saying they're stepping away from it completely, but it's not their main focus, the way the MCU is for Marvel.

And I think that's a wise decision. Other studios' attempts to copy Marvel have not turned out well. Better if DC finds its own voice and approach. I like the balance they've struck, where the films happen to be set in a world where the other films exist, but it's just a bit of background texture and context rather than a driving element of the story.
 
No, they failed to make a tight coherent comic universe at all.

Nope.

The Man of Steel DCEU Shared Continuity Universe might not be as overtly narratively interwoven as the MCU, but it still forms a whole tapestry of stories that continues to expand even as we're being given other takes on DC properties like the Elseworlds Joker and The Batman IPs.
 
Have to completely disagree, I have been consistently impressed with the quality and depth of the MCU's stories, characters and that they've managed to fit those in with some outstanding action and special effects.

Its largely cartoonish, suffers from continuity problems and lacking substance, save for a few productions one could count on one hand. That's not even addressing the often painfully obvious EFX.

Nope.

The Man of Steel DCEU Shared Continuity Universe might not be as overtly narratively interwoven as the MCU, but it still forms a whole tapestry of stories that continues to expand even as we're being given other takes on DC properties like the Elseworlds Joker and The Batman IPs.

This is all conveniently ignored by the usual suspects.
 
The Man of Steel DCEU Shared Continuity Universe might not be as overtly narratively interwoven as the MCU, but it still forms a whole tapestry of stories that continues to expand even as we're being given other takes on DC properties like the Elseworlds Joker and The Batman IPs.
Tapestry is the best word to describe it. That is the fun that I come to enjoy with properties is not huge long story, but a shared world that might intersect and add to color of the world.
 
Its largely cartoonish, suffers from continuity problems and lacking substance, save for a few productions one could count on one hand.

I don't know of any continuity problems offhand, other than a timeline placement error in one of the Spider-Man films or Loki possibly being inconsistent with things established in the films.
 
And I think that's a wise decision. Other studios' attempts to copy Marvel have not turned out well. Better if DC finds its own voice and approach. I like the balance they've struck, where the films happen to be set in a world where the other films exist, but it's just a bit of background texture and context rather than a driving element of the story.
That reminds me of another thing about their connected movies, even when they are connected, they aren't nearly as connected as the MCU movies. Just look at movies like Aquaman and The Suicide Squad, both have only a handful of connections and references to other movies, but they still clearly take place in the shared universe.
Its largely cartoonish, suffers from continuity problems and lacking substance, save for a few productions one could count on one hand. That's not even addressing the often painfully obvious EFX.
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First all, as a life long fan of animation, I don't understand why you keep using "cartoonish" as a negative. There are a lot of animated series and movies, that I would right up there with most live action. In general I think the idea that all animation is simple and shallow stopped being true, if it ever was, in the '80s and '90s with the rise of Batman: The Animated Series, and Gargoyles on the TV front, and the beginnings of the Disney Rennaissance and people like Don Bluth on the movie side.
 
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