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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

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Looks like Rob Lowe. :lol:
 
I just watched the Birds of Prey movie. It really deserved a lot more attention than it got. I know people were upset by how much the characters were changed from their traditional comic versions, but the movie was a lot of fun and the cast was great.

I think some folks might have been scared that Harley was getting the FOX Mystique treatment: Since she was played by a rising Hollywood Star they'd utterly re-arrange the Universe to revolve around her as opposed to the traditional leads
 
Snyder has Jenny say "He saved us!" after seeing him save exactly one person and failing utterly to prevent the devastation of the city, not because it makes a damn bit of sense for that character in that situation to perceive him that way, but just because it's what the audience expects to hear.

The whole world could have ended up like, or a lot worse than, Metropolis.

When Superman Returns was announced as a sequel to the Donner films, I was excited about it. Partly because I didn't realize just how faithful Singer was going to be to the Donner films.

I think part of the problem was that as much as a lot was reverentially followed, big aspects were too different, Donner Superman (although he did at one point give up his powers) wouldn't just leave Earth for a few years and/or abandon Lois after unprotected sex.

I expected that making the movie a sequel was supposed to be a shortcut, so that they could skip over the origin story and not have to explain too much about who Superman & the other characters are.

How to do a new-start film for familiar characters without doing an origin is a still-open issue (although CW+Homecoming was a financially successful take with Spider-Man, although that was probably only embraced because he had already been in many recent films). An origin story can be particularly divisive in being boringly same-old and/or feeling too different.
 
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True maturity, thank God, recognizes that life includes beauty and hope, brightness and joy and love and laughter, not just hopelessness and despair. That's shallow nihilistic nonsense. And I'm afraid I can't agree that Snyder's grown beyond it, or is ever likely to.

How did Snyder not include hope, love, positivity with his portrayals of Lois, Perry, Martha, Jor-El?
 
How did Snyder not include hope, love, positivity with his portrayals of Lois, Perry, Martha, Jor-El?

I'll give you Lois, Martha, and Jor-El (though honestly all I could think when watching Martha and Lois together was that Diane Lane in her prime would've been a far better Lois than Amy Adams could manage), but I hated the way BvS reduced Perry to a mercenary, headline-grabbing tabloid journalist, the diametric opposite of the paragon of ethical journalism he's traditionally been in the comics.
 
How did Snyder not include hope, love, positivity with his portrayals of Lois, Perry, Martha, Jor-El?
If your point is that you can identify individual positive actions by each of these characters, I don’t disagree. The world they inhabit, however, remains as bleak, violent, dun-colored, and despairing as Snyder’s puerile edgelord posturings can make it.
 
1. The movie's whole point is that people can choose to do better in a grey world.

2. The world there is literally rainbows and unicorns compared to 2020.
 
I'll give you Lois, Martha, and Jor-El (though honestly all I could think when watching Martha and Lois together was that Diane Lane in her prime would've been a far better Lois than Amy Adams could manage), but I hated the way BvS reduced Perry to a mercenary, headline-grabbing tabloid journalist, the diametric opposite of the paragon of ethical journalism he's traditionally been in the comics.


I would disagree. I would say Sandra Bullock would have been a good choice. IMO She can pull off the "pestering" attitude well that fits Lois Lane when questioning/grilling someone.

Someone that just won't give up annoying you until they get their answers. She plays that really well.
 
I certainly don’t object to fancasting Lois Lane, but not at Amy Adams’s expense. Adams is superb in the role — my favorite Lois ever, and the single best thing about Snyder’s movies.

(Though I do want to visit the alternate universe where Snyder’s first runner-up for the role, Zoe Saldana, is the DCEU’s Lois. She would have been a great choice, too.)
 
I would disagree. I would say Sandra Bullock would have been a good choice.

How is that disagreeing? It's just suggesting a different possibility. The two are not mutually exclusive, so there is no disagreement involved.

Besides, Diane Lane was actually in the movies as Martha Kent, and I'm talking about my reaction to watching her in the role, specifically in contrast to Amy Adams.
 
Thing is, I’m not interested in painstakingly mining a Superman movie for a few small nuggets of positivity; I want it to be a rich, open vein of the stuff. I’m equally uninterested in seeing Superman barely eke out a costly and compromised victory; I want it to be triumphant, thrilling, exhilarating. To me, that’s the pop cultural role the character fills — you’ve got Batman for all your morally gray noodlings.
 
I certainly don’t object to fancasting Lois Lane, but not at Amy Adams’s expense. Adams is superb in the role — my favorite Lois ever, and the single best thing about Snyder’s movies.

(Though I do want to visit the alternate universe where Snyder’s first runner-up for the role, Zoe Saldana, is the DCEU’s Lois. She would have been a great choice, too.)

Wasn't Rosamund Pike the first choice for Lois in MOS?
 
How to do a new-start film for familiar characters without doing an origin is a still-open issue (although CW+Homecoming was a financially successful take with Spider-Man, although that was probably only embraced because he had already been in many recent films). An origin story can be particularly divisive in being boringly same-old and/or feeling too different.
You do need to do an origin story for some of the characters whose origins aren't embedded in pop culture, like Aquaman or Wonder Woman, but I think at this point pretty much everyone knows the origins of characters like Batman, Superman, and Spider-Man, so it's really not necessary to cover them again. Even The Batman is starting off with him having already been established for a couple years at least.
 
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