In the DCEU's case, they started out of the gates with a distinct voice. Its only when they produced films such as Suicide Squad the quipped-up Justice League and later, the awful Shazam that it was off its own rails and jumping on to Marvel's.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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In the DCEU's case, they started out of the gates with a distinct voice. Its only when they produced films such as Suicide Squad the quipped-up Justice League and later, the awful Shazam that it was off its own rails and jumping on to Marvel's.
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Yep, that was in fact WB's problem. the MCU Iron Man was a suprise (to Marvel) hit; and emboldened them to proceed with their plan; but the second stand alone MCU film (The Incredible Hulk) didn't do that well at all ($263 million worldwide on a $150 million budget); BUT that didn't stop them - and they released Captain America: The First Avenger ($370 million worldwide on a $140 million budget), and Thor ($450 million worldwide on a $150 million budget <--- Best since Iropn Man at that time) - but through all that they didn't blink and made real money on Marvel's The Avengers and the subsequent films had better and better BO performance.
WB downright panicked when BvS didn't break 1 Billion in Worldwide BO (and it didn't do poorly at the BO at all - it just wasn't up to studio expectations); and started micromanaging and rethinking their whole strategy. And they ultimately quickly abandoned the DCEU idea after Justice League under performed.
Batman v Superman should have been released with the longer cut, Whedon should have been more faithful to Snyder’s themes, and Suicide Squad, though I enjoyed it, should have been delayed or shelved in favour of a second Superman movie building on Man of Steel. But I guess all that happened on Earth 2. Oh well.
Jesus, seriously?
You're free to like that if you please. I thought it was misguided crap not resembling any of the character's best periods--not the Fawcett era, or the Ordway run in the 90s.
TBH, I have little experience of or interest in comics Captain Marvel/Shazam!, so I was coming to the movie basically cold, reacting to it only on its own merits. On that basis, I found it a pure delight -- maybe not as objectively good a film as Wonder Woman, but even more viscerally pleasurable. It's certainly the second best movie to come out of the DCEU so far (with Aquaman coming in third).
Exactly.
That would’ve been an easy skip for me. I’m glad he was dumped. Should’ve happened sooner. Shouldn’t have happened in the first place. Both of his prior comic book adaptations are dull. But I will give this: he knows how to photograph things. He just doesn’t know how to tell a compelling story.
That's not what the studio hired him for.
This is correct. It's not what you meant, of course - but as written, it's spot-on.
It's a nightmare situation when you think about it.
Look at the recent box office duds of well known IPs of this Summer. Hellboy, X-Men, Godzilla and Men in Black. Look at Star Wars' movie from last year, Solo. The first Star Wars film to flop and the reason Bob Iger (head of Disney) said they would be a slow down after Episode IX. "Too much, too fast" were his words. 1 Star Wars film a year. Marvel does 3 movies a year. DC before the slow down after JL, was doing 2 a year.
Look at Star Trek. 3 movies that came out at the right time. All certified fresh and adored by critics. A young and energetic cast, bread winners for Paramount at the BO and now the franchise is on indefinite hiatus. 3 years after Trek's 50th Birthday. GOTG has supplanted Trek and Star Wars as "THE" scifi space opera of this generation.
The "do it like Marvel" doesn't work for everyone. Even the IPs that tried it failed (Star Wars, Trek, DC, TASM). It's just really hard out there atm. The media is saturated with a plurality of failure to launch movies and IPs.
Look at the recent box office duds of well known IPs of this Summer. Hellboy, X-Men, Godzilla and Men in Black. Look at Star Wars' movie from last year, Solo. The first Star Wars film to flop and the reason Bob Iger (head of Disney) said they would be a slow down after Episode IX. "Too much, too fast" were his words. 1 Star Wars film a year. Marvel does 3 movies a year. DC before the slow down after JL, was doing 2 a year.
Look at Star Trek. 3 movies that came out at the right time. All certified fresh and adored by critics. A young and energetic cast, bread winners for Paramount at the BO and now the franchise is on indefinite hiatus. 3 years after Trek's 50th Birthday. GOTG has supplanted Trek and Star Wars as "THE" scifi space opera of this generation.
The "do it like Marvel" doesn't work for everyone. Even the IPs that tried it failed (Star Wars, Trek, DC, TASM). It's just really hard out there atm. The media is saturated with a plurality of failure to launch movies and IPs.
His hiring, absolutely. His creative choices set back the DCEU. And then execs stupidly allowed him to double, even triple down.
2018 was the only year they only released one movie (and even that only if you don't count "Teen TItans Go! to the Movies"), and that was obviously decided before the late 2017 release of JL. This year has seen the release of "Shazam!" and "Joker" will follow in October. Next year will have at least "Birds of Prey" and "Wonder Woman 1984", maybe even "Black Adam", 2021 will presumably see "The Batman" and "The Suicide Squad", with high probability of the "Shazam!" sequel. So, no, they're not slowing down.
Because it isn't a formula that works like cut and paste.
Yep. Even Marvel hasn't gotten it perfect every time, and if it weren't for Feige's eye in attracting the right writers and directors and whoever is doing their casting (both things that have gone terribly wrong in many of the non-Marvel attempts at creating a new cinematic universe) it might have turned out very differently.
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Meh. I'm still not interested. Maybe a trailer will change my mind. I like the font though.
I know. I just disagree with the studio’s goal.
His creative choices are what made the DCEU interesting in the first place. Whedonizing it made it more cookie cutter, thus less interesting.