I dunno, Studios are stupid sometimes.
Yeah, and they chose to never go outside the box with any real effort until Marvel Studios formed to show them how its done. Why couldn't WB have done so themselves?
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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I dunno, Studios are stupid sometimes.
Yeah, and they chose to never go outside the box with any real effort until Marvel Studios formed to show them how its done. Why couldn't WB have done so themselves?
Studios, for the most part, make a LOT of money--meaning they know what they are doing. They aren't as stupid as fanboys would like to make them out to be. As compelling as a narrative as it would be. It's a convenient for, "Why don't they make what I want!?"
*Tim Burton looks at you with some serious side eye*
*Wes Craven, who wrote and directed Swamp Thing, joins in giving you some serious side eye.*
*Richard Donner, who made several generations believe a man could fly, just rolls his eyes at you.*
Well, to be fair, those "Terrible TV movies" were actually AFTER TV series:
- "The Incredible Hulk" <--- Which was successful and ran 5 years and did spawn to later made for TV movie (abd yeah the last one where they tried to tie TYhor and Daredevil into that continuity was BAD)
- "The Amazing Spiderman" Which had a 6 episode Season 1 in 1977 and another 7 episode Season 2 in 1978. (Many of the eps. were recut in two hour TV movies where they strung two episoedes together.)
You also forget that Warner Brothers was involved in two attempts to bring "Wonder Woman to TV in the late 1970ies and early 1980ies.
The first attempt was a 'modern' (for the time) version staring Cathy Lee Crosby in 1974:
And then a year later in 1975 we got ABC saying: "Hey let's do a Wonder Woman mini-series of her during World War II" with Lynda Carter, that eventually became a full series, and went from ABC to CBS; and at CBS they moved it from the 1940ies to the then current 1980ies.
You also forget that the Salkind's Superboy series from 1988-1992:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Superboy_(TV_series)
The Flash TV series in 1990:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Flash_(1990_TV_series)
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So, I guess my point is - DC was also trying to get it's caharacters on TV during the same timeframe as Marvel.
In WB's case, they clearly don't know what they're doing.
Donner and Burton were using Superman and Batman, though I will concede to Craven and Swamp Thing.
I was also thinking about the Captain America movies, the Generation X movie, and David Hasselhof's Nick Fury.
I didn't forget. I was focusing on Marvel's lack of theatrical representation versus DC's.
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So, I guess my point is - DC was also trying to get it's caharacters on TV during the same timeframe as Marvel.
It sorta shows that DC was doing much more than Marvel to get live action versions of their properties.
I LOVED the Flash TV show. I was so disappointed it only got a season.
I don't disagree they don't have a direction. They do lack a solid helmer like Fiege.
So, they used Batman and Superman? For fuck's sake, Burton cast MICHAEL KEATON as Batman. If that's not "outside of the box" I seriously don't think you understand that phrase.... Fanboys freaked OUT with that casting.
Both of those movies were risks. They hired Tim Burton who had only directed Pee Wee's Big Adventure and Beetlejuice prior to Batman. Making a serious Superman movie and a serious Batman movie WERE outside of the box at the time those movies were made.
No, it was the first two Hulk revival movies that respectively featured Thor and Daredevil, and they actually weren't that bad. Their version of Thor and Donald Blake was highly revisionist, and a very poor fit for the TV Hulk universe (which had no supernatural/sci-fi elements beyond gamma mutation, the odd psychic, a bit of vague martial-arts mysticism, and a random sentient AI in one episode), but the mismatched-buddies rapport between Thor and Blake (who summoned Thor like a genie rather than turning into him) was pretty entertaining. And the Daredevil movie was actually a pretty solid backdoor pilot for a DD series by the standards of its time. The third and last revival movie was the only one that didn't serve as a backdoor pilot for another Marvel character (although some have wondered if its female lead was based on Black Widow). Here are KRAD's reviews from his Tor rewatch series:
https://www.tor.com/2017/10/27/firs...le-hulk-and-the-death-of-the-incredible-hulk/
The 1970s, rather.
Do Red and Red 2 count also?You've made this factually incorrect statement before, and last time I pointed out that DC made two Swamp Thing movies, Supergirl, Steel, Catwoman, Constantine, Jonah Hex, Watchmen, V for Vendetta and Green Lantern movies you shut up,
Let's see if you've spent the last few months coming up with some convoluted explanation why those movies don't count...
If we're including Vertigo comics, as we should....
Let's add The Losers, The History of Violence to the list of movies. Then, iZombie, Lucifer and Preacher on the TV front.
If you're going that recent on the tv front, there's also Arrow, Flash, Legends of Tomorrow, Black Lightning, Supergirl, and soon Batwoman.
But Anwar will just claim those were all inspired by the MCU.
Of course, there was also a Flash tv show in the 90s and a short lived Birds of Prey show around 2000, in addition to all the Superman tv shows that have existed.
But WB's didn't do ANYTHING.... wait, just remembered... the cartoons... Superfriends, Batman, Superman, Justice League, Static Shock, Plastic man, Teen Titans, Green Lantern...
AND, I just remembered another live action TV show: The Human Target. TWICE.
Hey, if you're gonna bring the live action SHAZAM! into this, don't forget:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(DC_Comics)
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Yes, she WAS a DC character.
Yeah, but was Isis in comics before the show, or did she enter the comics continuity after the show and because of it?
Hey, if you're gonna bring the live action SHAZAM! into this, don't forget:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Isis_(DC_Comics)
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Yes, she WAS a DC character.
Another thing ISIL ruined. #ThanksISIL
Does it matter?
Case in point: The "Batgirl" character was originally made/created specifically for the live action BATMAN TV series (1966-69). She NEVER appeared in any Batman of DC comic prior to the series, yet over the last 50 or so years she's become a major character in the DC comics universe.
It depends whether the beef was over film adaptations for comic book characters that don't involve Superman and Batman. Right?
If she wasn't originally a comic book character, then she wasn't one adapted for film.
Ya have to ask the poster with the beef.
They freak out with every casting.
At the time, the public perception of Batman was the campy Adam West show, so getting Burton wasn't too far removed.
They weren't quite "serious" films...they have serious camp in them.
Cartoons are a bit different from live action movies.
Hyperbole.
Of course, they weren't MAKING a campy movie like Adam West, so, by your reasoning, they were taking an even bigger risk by going outside that box. Thanks for making that point.
Camp? No. Not even by today's standards. Humor? Yes. A bit more blue sky? Yes. Camp like Adam West? No. You could argue Batman and Robin was camp, but, the rest.... no. They certainly weren't camp like the Adam West show or the Superman Musical that aired on TV, the last time the public saw those characters.
Sure, if you want to take cartoons off the table, that's just less Marvel properties they did anything with...
