DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

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  1. Set Harth

    Set Harth Vice Admiral Admiral

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    Let's not ever again do something as bad as panicking and firing Zack Snyder mid-production before he has a chance to complete his Darkseid arc?

    Yeah, that would be nice.
     
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  2. crookeddy

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    Even though I didn't hate the justice league movie at all, count me as someone who would rather have seen snyder's original vision.
     
  3. Professor Zoom

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    I would have said: Let's not hire Snyder again after the terrible Superman movie he made. YMMV.
     
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  4. Turtletrekker

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    I would have preferred either a full on Snyder vision or a full on Joss Whedon vision over the mishmash of conflicting styles and approaches that we got.
     
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  5. crookeddy

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    When Returns came out, the fans were all whining about how they wanted a movie where Superman has someone to punch. Snyder gave them the biggest punchout in superhero movie history, and people whined that there was too much fighting.
     
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  6. theenglish

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    I, for one, never complained that Superman never had someone to punch. The movie had its flaws to be sure, but I loved the Silver Age approach where he got to be Super without ever having to hit someone.
     
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  8. That's So Bane

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    I completely agree with hating BvS, but that does seem ridiculous in comparison. (Granted I haven't actually seen Catwoman.)

    Especially to have Justice League - a total mess of a film with no coherent identity at all and not a single good scene (at least BvS has Wonder Woman coming out of nowhere and tag-teaming Doomsday for about 30 awesome seconds) - a full *10* spots higher. I would happily spend all weekend watching Constantine, Jonah Hex, Suicide Squad, Green Lantern and Batman and Robin just to avoid seeing Justice League again. I might even be willing to watch BvS again if the alternative is Justice League.

    Not that lists like these actually mean anything, anyway.
     
  9. F. King Daniel

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    I love Batman V Superman. "Marthaaa!" is on-par with Spock's "Khaaaaan!" (from another film I love) but otherwise it's awesome.
     
  10. The Realist

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    Indeed. I wouldn't have even noticed the lack of punching in Returns if it hadn't been pointed out. "Punches people" is nowhere on my list of defining Superman characteristics.

    For that matter, Reeve never punches anybody in Superman '78, a movie that probably defines the character in the cultural imagination more than any other single work.
     
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    It wasn't worse than what most other directors considered for the job would have made. Although, to be fair most things would seem a big improvement over SR.

    The criticism of SR was well-earned and MoS a good, appropriate response to that. It's pretty stunning that some people could dislike and whine about the action in MoS.
     
  12. suarezguy

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    I think it's a lot more noticeable and bothersome in a movie that is some 2.5 hours long and is also ostensibly a (sort of) sequel after we already had both character introductions and action.

    Aside from that SR was a decades-later sequel, though, the lack of entertaining action was also disappointing in that, unlike that predecessor, its characters (Lex aside, kind of) and story weren't good.
     
  13. Professor Zoom

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    I don’t know that. I can’t compare a hypothetical movie to one that was already made.

    Besides, I would never have expected the guy who did the Hangover movies would do Joker. Or the guy who wrote the Hangover movies would write Chernobyl.


    Because MoS was a movie that was just disaster porn. A humorless, hopeless fever dream of punching and disaster.

    SR may have cribbed to much from Superman, may have been slow, but it at least knew who Superman was.
     
  14. M.A.C.O.

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    I will say this about SR.

    SR was a nostalgic, love letter to a then 28 year old movie. It didn't have anything to say and missed the point of Superman entirely. A point a lot of creatives and fans with the character get wrong. That Superman just existing in the world would make the world a better place. Always waxing poetic about the idea of making a difference, while never actually making one.

    If you doubt me, look at the "not too distant future" versions of the TT (now adults in their 30s) and adult members of YJ. The futuristic dystopia of Batman Beyond . All future versions of the Justice League.

    Now, I ask you: what was Superman's big accomplishment to Earth in any DC interpretation? What are his accolades of success? His legacy that left an impression or reshaped the comic world of DC? He doesn't have one.

    Too many creators, too many fans turned pro have the character anchored to one moment in time and can't think or imagine beyond that.

    It was bad in 2006, it's worse now in 2019. SR is in good company among other shot for shot, line for line remakes. And if either JJ Abrams or Matthew Vaughn get assigned to the next Superman movie. Both have already singled a return to the Donner interpretation.

    Back to SR. SR's epic length didn't help. It's 2 hours and 30 min long. The same length as BvS and 10 minutes longer than MOS (at 2 hours and 20 minutes. The story in SR is paper thin. It's a 90 minute movie that was stretched to fill another hour with nothing to add for that time.


    I wouldn't say MOS was a radical reinvention of the character. It's just where the character has been since the 80s. Alien invasions, big battles, the general public mistrusting him, weight of the world on his shoulders. 30+ years after COIE and people want to complain about how Superman pays the rent at DC.
     
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  15. Dry Bones 37

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    Exactly. MoS is an awful example of Superman, and it amazes me that it gets the support when people lament the "darkening" of familiar properties. MoS is awful disaster porn, on par with Transformers, that offers vain lip service to "hope." It is not enjoyable.
     
  16. Anwar

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    Superman Returns' big problem is that, once again, Bryan Singer just isn't a comic book fan nor does he really care about the characters. He's a Richard Donner fan though, and wanted to make a movie that was a love letter to Donner's take on Superman.
     
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  17. Christopher

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    My problem with Superman Returns was partly that it was just Donner fanfic instead of the fresh approach I was hoping for, but also because it was just so languid. Every actor was underplaying so much that they seemed mildly sedated. There was no passion to it.

    I said once or twice back then that the problem with Batman Begins was that it was an indie drama trying to be an action blockbuster, and the problem with Superman Returns was that it was an action blockbuster trying to be an indie drama.
     
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  18. crookeddy

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    Have you seen the extended edition? It's a massive improvement. And no way is BvS worse than Catwoman which is just poorly made, or Batman and Robin which is unwatchable.
     
  19. crookeddy

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    Also, Watchmen (ultimate Snyder movie) is way higher, MOS is higher, Justice League is higher... Doesn't make sense to me.

    And why are only some animated movies here? How were they picked...
     
  20. The Realist

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    Hadn't heard this, but it's great news if true. :techman: