Similarly, I came away from seeing the movie thinking we should have gotten a JSA movie and removed Black Adam altogether, he was the least interesting part.
DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond
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Similarly, I came away from seeing the movie thinking we should have gotten a JSA movie and removed Black Adam altogether, he was the least interesting part.
I like Black Adam a lot, both the character and the film. But Johnson does seem to have been kind of a dick about things, and as much as I liked the JSA in it I'm fine with not seeing them again since we're getting a James Gunn lead universe in place of this stuff.
Movie wise I thought that, taken on its own, Black Adam was solid. Probably about equal to the original Shazam, which for me puts it below Wonder Woman 1, The Suicide Squad and Aquaman but ahead of the rest of the DCEU adjacent stuff. I'd have definitely been up for a sequel if we weren't getting a much better reboot, but I'll happily take James Gunn's stuff instead.
Movie wise I thought that, taken on its own, Black Adam was solid. Probably about equal to the original Shazam, which for me puts it below Wonder Woman 1, The Suicide Squad and Aquaman but ahead of the rest of the DCEU adjacent stuff. I'd have definitely been up for a sequel if we weren't getting a much better reboot, but I'll happily take James Gunn's stuff instead.
Agreed; for anyone to claim the interconnected film universe does not matter has not watched a film series--ever. The business model for this era of film franchises is dependent on Easter Eggs, plot threads setting up other films, and cameos that will bear some fruit down the line is the one and only way a film universe builds an invested audience, and said audience will feel burned if the series is brought to an unnatural end, as in the case of the DCEU.
Its that investment that has many DCEU fans feeling their years of devoted support / following the continuing story meant little with the cancellation of the DCEU, in turn it has made them not as willing to support the final four entries, as the story has hit a permanent brick wall.
Pierce Brosnan as Dr, Fate as well as the actor who played Hawkman, were both highlights of that film for me (I could have cared less about the other two, cyclone girl and the bumbling size changing guy.) Dwayne Johnson was okay too. I liked the film more that the theatrical Batman V Superman, Justice League, (and I went to see both of these in a theatre); and it TOWERED above Wonder Woman 1984 which overall I honestly thought was hot garbage. I was also looking forwrd to them doing a Surperman V Black Adam match up on screen as part of some future DCEU film, and had they kept a cameo with Cavil as Superman, Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman in The Flash, I might have actually gone to a theatre to see it; but another 'Supergirl character reboot'<-- which was going nowhere after the film anyway; coupled with the fact that Gunn was going to be recasting the majority of these characters killed what interest I may have had.
As for Micheal Keaton as Batman again in The Flash - who cares? In 1989, when I went to seeTim Burton's Batman, keaton was NOT the draw for me. It was Jack Nicholson pplaying his psychotic version of The Joker that I (and honestly many others) were going to the theatre to see. Hell had they got Adam West to reprise the role - and do a more serious take on Batman would have piqued my interest more than putting Michael keaton in the role in 1989. (Plus the claim of Adam West being 'too old' in 1989 is hilarious given that they brought Keaton back 33 years after he played the role.)
Adam West was 38 in 1966. He would have been 60 or 61 at the time of Batman 1989.
Michael Keaton was 38 in 1989. He was 68 to 69 at the time he reprised Bruce Wayne for The Flash.
I still find it very hard to believe that the average movie goer, who doesn't even understand that Batman and Iron Man don't exist in the same universe, is really going to care that much about whether the Flash, Blue Beatle, and Aquaman and the Lost Kingdom are connected to Superman: Legacy.
A lot of us tend to look at the situation from within our little fan bubble, where we are aware of all of the details of this kind of stuff, but the 99% of people outside that bubble aren't going to be aware of that. These are the people who are going to see the trailer for Blue Beatle before some other recent movie, and think "hey that looks good, I think I'll see it". Those are the kind of people who are actually going to be the majority of the audience for these movies, and I can almost guarentee you that they're not going to care about, or even be aware of, what's going on with the DCU reboot.
A lot of us tend to look at the situation from within our little fan bubble, where we are aware of all of the details of this kind of stuff, but the 99% of people outside that bubble aren't going to be aware of that. These are the people who are going to see the trailer for Blue Beatle before some other recent movie, and think "hey that looks good, I think I'll see it". Those are the kind of people who are actually going to be the majority of the audience for these movies, and I can almost guarentee you that they're not going to care about, or even be aware of, what's going on with the DCU reboot.
Yeah. The average movie goer isn't even aware that there's something called "Superman Legacy" in the pipeline.
Marvel Studios films get a boost from being Marvel, but that's more about the value of the Marvel brand, in the same way the Pixar brand has value (or maybe used to have value, given recent output, I dunno). Which is something the DCEU films never managed to duplicate.
While that's all true, there are times when the "fan" community gets riled up and loud enough that it starts to be heard out in the Normal world. Regular Joe might not know anything about Blue Beetle, but he might have absorbed a bunch of talk about it being terrible on Facebook or Twitter, and that affects his thinking on whether to bother or not. (I'm not saying BB is good or bad, just an example.)
That most elusive of mythical creatures, the average movie goer.
Thanks to decades of successful marketing, culminating in this century with the most hard-driven categorization of which character comes from what company, people are not running around completely confused about that. Its quite disingenuous to claim studios spending hundreds of millions on the marketing of their legacy IPs somehow failed to impart that character & company branding to audiences. When modern-day movie goers watched Infinity War, no one was saying, "Why don't they call Superman to fight Thanos?", nor were they expecting the Hulk or Thor to show up in either version of Justice League. When Zod was close to destroying earth's population in Man of Steel, I doubt a single member of the audience uttered, "Superman should call the Avengers to help. Or Spider-Man". It did not happen, because today's audiences know the difference. Its common knowledge--even to those who are not diehard superhero fans, as opposed to it being the "insider" territory of comic book readers--an argument which might have had more weight in the 1970s
It might come as a shock that audiences have responded to the marketing of DC and Marvel's IP to the degree that no one is walking around making statements like the three examples posted above. If someone sees that unmistakable red & white logo, and they say "Another Marvel movie is in the theatres" you can bet they know something about which characters have been in Marvel films at any point in the MCU's history, and its highly unlikely they're thinking Affleck's Batman, Gadot's Wonder Woman or Cavill's Superman appeared in any of that franchise's films. Its not a large, jumbled toybox.
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I thought I saw one once but it was just a Yeti.
Just saw the projections for Blue Beetle and I'm wondering how many more of these disasters WB can absorb. Like, is the reboot going to make a difference at this point? Stop making superhero movies, guys.
And I say that as a fan of their recent, much maligned offerings.
And I say that as a fan of their recent, much maligned offerings.
Zaslav is convinced (and reasonably so) that Superman is a billion dollar IP...and Gunn is right...WB was throwing around rights everywhere, so there was no momentum with projects .
It is too bad there is a strike...
We need to see William Zsabka to spread a viral video "Hashbrown Team Blue Beetle"
WB currently has a massive hit with Barbie. That should keep the lights on for a while.
As for the strikes, I've heard from the Honest Trailers guys that the proper studios like WB, Universal and Paramount, actually want to get past the strike and back to making movies as soon as possible, but the streamers, especially Apple and Amazon for whom making movies and TV shows is just a side project, are the ones who put the breaks on any negotiations. Now, again, this information comes from the writers of Honest Trailers, and they couldn't talk about where they got that information from, so take it with a grain of salt.
As for the strikes, I've heard from the Honest Trailers guys that the proper studios like WB, Universal and Paramount, actually want to get past the strike and back to making movies as soon as possible, but the streamers, especially Apple and Amazon for whom making movies and TV shows is just a side project, are the ones who put the breaks on any negotiations. Now, again, this information comes from the writers of Honest Trailers, and they couldn't talk about where they got that information from, so take it with a grain of salt.
Iger is suspected to be the guy who said he wants to wait until the actors and writers lose their houses....
It only needs to make 280 million to reach profit. That's only 10 million more than 'The Flash' managed.
I'd love to know where the 120 million budget went because it looks like a cheap TV movie, which is probably where it should have stayed.
I'd love to know where the 120 million budget went because it looks like a cheap TV movie, which is probably where it should have stayed.
Maybe, he certainly said some dumb out-of-touch shit in that TV interview, but to be honest, Iger is just one of the two names people recognize, so it's not surprising he's one of the prime suspects.
I've heard the same from multiple industry people on The Letter of the Alphabet Formerly Known as Twitter. I've seen multiple posts wondering why the studios don't just strike a separate deal from the streamers, given that the streamers are more their rivals than their allies.