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DC Movies - To Infinity and Beyond

I had no problem with Pa Kent being honestly unsure what to do about it all. It felt real and emotional. And I really don't care if Superman is selfless because of his childhood/parents or because he's just naturally selfless, as some people are.

I do think they botched the underpass scene, though. It was weird to have the grand dramatic death scene revolve around saving a dog that wasn't even trapped but just refused to leave the car and even weirder to have Clark go underground trying to live up to his father's caution as a result of him just allowing his dad to die by following his dad's advice. The movie would make more sense if Clark had ignored his father in that scene and the result of that had somehow ended in Johnathan's death. Or just don't kill Johnathan but have the incident actually expose Clark to some extent thereby seemingly proving Johnathan right.
 
The underpass scene sort of works for me if I look at it as Clark's Uncle Ben moment -- the moment where he loses his adoptive father because he failed to act for selfish reasons, and therefore vows never to let anyone down like that again. It is a complete character assassination of Jonathan Kent, sure, but it works well as a motivation for Clark to pursue heroism, even better in a way than Superman: The Movie's version where Clark was simply powerless to save Jonathan, rather than having the power but not using it.
 
theenglish said:
I agree that Jonathan Kent was the weakest point of the movie and, in my opinion, biggest misstep in the movie. That said, if I recall correctly, he didn't suggest that Clark let the kids die. He said he didn't know if Clark should have let them die--maybe he said. And that is where I 100% agree with you--Pa Kent lacked the moral compass that has made him a unique and strong character for decades.
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He’s much more interesting for his flaws and uncertainty than he is as a “paragon of virtue”.

Grendelsbayne said:
I had no problem with Pa Kent being honestly unsure what to do about it all. It felt real and emotional. And I really don't care if Superman is selfless because of his childhood/parents or because he's just naturally selfless, as some people are
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Exactly.
 
Christopher said:
Next: Sports fans demand the coaches poll them on play decisions. Airline passengers demand to get a vote on what controls the pilots should use. Surgical patients demand to be awake during major surgeries to instruct the doctors in where to cut.
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:rolleyes:

No.

It's far more like Lucas re-doing his Star Wars movies, but with "fan support". The director of a film is the author of the film and if a director has/had a vision for the film that was somehow stymied but could be rectified, more power to that director (even if I don't like the end result--not MY work).

Now, if Ayers has no interest in revisiting his film AND Warner Bros. goes ahead and makes their own "pseudo-Ayers" cut "for the fans who demand it"? Then you'd have a point.
 
The Realist said:
I am much more interested in seeing a director's cut of Justice League than I am Suicide Squad.
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As am I. However, if Ayers wants to do so, and it can be done, and if WB agrees? Why not? Far less of a problem than the multitudes of "extended cuts" produced by studios with zero input, if not outright opposition, from the film director.
 
Christopher said:
Next: Sports fans demand the coaches poll them on play decisions.
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This is literally the opposite.

If we're gonna use this analogy, then Snyder is the coach who had to step away for personal reasons and as soon as he did that the owners tore up his playbook and threw in everything "the fans" wanted.
 
dodge said:
This is literally the opposite.
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No, because it's the fans demanding that studios release the versions of movies that the fans dictate.


dodge said:
If we're gonna use this analogy, then Snyder is the coach who had to step away for personal reasons and as soon as he did that the owners tore up his playbook and threw in everything "the fans" wanted.
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I was responding to the item about Ayer and Suicide Squad.
 
Christopher said:
No, because it's the fans demanding that studios release the versions of movies that the fans dictate.
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You might wanna pause and self-reflect here a bit.

These fans, myself included, only want to see the movie as intended by the guy that made it. I and everyone else have absolutely zero demands or dictates on what it should be.

Justice League that was released however, was released as such specifically because other fans, those like yourself, where whining, demanding and dictating what these movies are "supposed to be". To pretend that this wasn't an attempt by the studio execs to appease people like you is really disingenuous.
 
M'rk son of Mogh said:
The beast has been released.
https://www.nme.com/news/film/suici...following-justice-league-announcement-2673454

This is getting annoying.
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My biggest problem with this is that the two situations are totally different. Snyder ended up not being able to finish his cut because of a situation beyond his control, but with Ayer, other people responsible for the movie decided they didn't like his version.
I think it's fair to give Snyder a chance to finish his version, but it feel unnecessary with Ayer since he had that chance, but the people in charge didn't want it.
 
dodge said:
You might wanna pause and self-reflect here a bit.

These fans, myself included, only want to see the movie as intended by the guy that made it. I and everyone else have absolutely zero demands or dictates on what it should be.

Justice League that was released however, was released as such specifically because other fans, those like yourself, where whining, demanding and dictating what these movies are "supposed to be". To pretend that this wasn't an attempt by the studio execs to appease people like you is really disingenuous.
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Exactly. :techman::techman::techman:
 
dodge said:
Justice League that was released however, was released as such specifically because other fans, those like yourself, where whining, demanding and dictating what these movies are "supposed to be". To pretend that this wasn't an attempt by the studio execs to appease people like you is really disingenuous.
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And here I thought the movie was rushed out before the AT&T merger so that Emmerich and Tsujihara could get their bonuses before that.

But sure, "released for whining fans" works as well.
 
An Ayer Cut of Suicide Squad makes perfect sense. They don't even have to shoot new material for that, they already had that cut before they went for the trailer editors. If I've heard things right, the Ayer Cut is much closer in tone to the original ComicCon trailer from 2015.
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Note, all the footage used in that trailer ended up in the movie, but the way it was edited, the music choice, makes it appear much more focused on serious, dark and mature themes, which would be closer to the comics than the theatrical version.

One reason for WB not to go with a Director's Cut for Suicide Squad would be to not risk undermining the upcoming James Gunn movie. But they could still do it after that movie is released. And, if the Snyder Cut gets good responses, I don't doubt WB/HBO Max will turn their eye on this.
 
JD said:
My biggest problem with this is that the two situations are totally different. Snyder ended up not being able to finish his cut because of a situation beyond his control, but with Ayer, other people responsible for the movie decided they didn't like his version.
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People keep forgetting that the decision to do reshoots and the hiring of Whedon to write them happened months before the death of Snyder's daughter. That was already happening due to the studio's dissatisfaction with the original cut, but the plan was for Snyder to direct the new scenes Whedon wrote. So it is the same situation as Suicide Squad, just with an added complication late in the game. It is completely wrong to assume we would've gotten the "Snyder Cut" if his daughter hadn't died. We would still have gotten a Whedon-rewritten, reshot version as mandated by the studio, just directed by Snyder. If, that is, they hadn't fired him anyway as they were reportedly considering even before the tragedy.
 
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