DC Comics Star Trek Original Art Orions Question???

[HugoDeVries]

[FONT=Calibri]Hi all[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]I collect comic book art and while my main interests are non Star Trek (Sandman Mystery Theatre and Dune if anyone has ANY pages $$$) my first page of art was actually a cover from DC Comics first Star Trek series, bought solely as im a fan of the late great Roger C. Carmel and Harry Mudd, anyone interested can see it in my CAF galleries here,[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]http://www.comicartfans.com/GalleryPiece.asp?Piece=475438&GSub=93620[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Now onto my question i recently saw these ebay auctions for comic art from the same DC series[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Star-Trek-DC-Original-Art-Iss-41-Title-Splash-Villagran_W0QQitemZ140396473223QQcmdZViewItemQQptZLH_DefaultDomain_3?hash=item20b0482b87[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]The seller states that the page is only the second appearance of the Orion Pirates, which seems to make it a key page, is that true, i know the slave girls appeared in the tv series (doesn’t everyone!!) but thought the pirates did to, any help????[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Would be interested in any Harry Mudd art anyone has especially other covers, (and Sandman Mystery!!!) mailed the seller of those auctions and no Mudd but does seem to have a lot of pages though, mirror universe and starship stuff etc. Would love pages from the Who's Who series, but non of those.[/FONT]
[FONT=Calibri]Thanks[/FONT]

 

[F. King Daniel]

That's why you should highlight everything and click 'remove formatting' after copy+pasting from word!

 

[F. King Daniel]

Oh, and the pirates are from the Animated Series, an episode called "The Pirates of Orion". They pronounced it "Or-eee-on" because the actors weren't given a pronunciation guide in the episode. They had a very cool ship.

 

[Therin of Andor]

The seller states that the page is only the second appearance of the Orion Pirates, which seems to make it a key page, is that true, i know the slave girls appeared in the tv series (doesn’t everyone!!) but thought the pirates did to, any help????

The only Orions we saw in TOS was Vina (a human) in green Orion guise ("The Cage"; "The Menagerie"), and then Marta in Season Three ("Whom Gods Destroy). Season Two's "Journey to Babel" had a male Orion, but he was disguised as an Andorian named Thelev.

The episode of TAS, "The Pirates of Orion" introduced the pasty-faced (pale blue/white), helmeted male Orions. Another female (greenish/gold) Orion was featured in TAS's "Time Trap". DC Comics then used "The Pirates of Orion" appearance as a template for the pale, helmeted, male Orions who appeared in the "What Goes Around..." comic. (And, of course, many ST novels and now the ENT TV series gave us green male Orions.)

 

[Christopher]

Well, humans have a wide variety of skin colors; why can't Orions?

 

[F. King Daniel]

^I loved the FASA green, ruddy and grey Orions, and their backstory depicting them as the degenerate remnants of an ancient super-race (something I think Spock's World touched on).

That said, the colours in TAS should probably be taken with a pinch of salt. Most of you know why.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Well, humans have a wide variety of skin colors; why can't Orions?

Exactly. And yeah, FASA had a great explanation re the degree of melanin, too, IIRC. Orions inside a starship all day/week/month might go pale and an Orion slave trader, out in the open, auctioning off caged slaves to the highest bidder, might go greener.

 

[Christopher]

^I don't see why there needs to be an explanation for why all members of a given species aren't the same color. Certainly not a silly Kiplingesque Just-So Story like that. I don't recall Ben Sisko or Tuvok turning white after spending a long time on a starship. Why can't we just assume that Orion is a whole planet with a multiplicity of ethnic groups?

 

[Therin of Andor]

^I don't see why there needs to be an explanation for why all members of a given species aren't the same color. Certainly not a silly Kiplingesque Just-So Story like that. I don't recall Ben Sisko or Tuvok turning white after spending a long time on a starship. Why can't we just assume that Orion is a whole planet with a multiplicity of ethnic groups?

Sure, of course we can. But people demanded explanations of FASA's writers and they tried to come up with explanations. Of course Sisko and Tuvok don't turn white; human and Vulcan melanin doesn't work that way. IIRC, the people who wrote "Star Trek Maps" came up with a different explanation, that green Orion females were originally a tailed species, and had been enslaved by TAS male Orions.

We can assume the Orions have multiple coloured skins, but why deny other authors the right to come up with what they thought would be interesting explanations? (Well, pardon me for thinking they'd come up with some interesting explanations.)

 

[Christopher]

The point is that there shouldn't need to be an "explanation" for why the members of an entire species are not all exactly alike. It should go without saying that they would be diverse. Surely they would have an evolutionary history as rich as ours, with numerous different populations developing separately in different parts of their planets for tens of thousands of years. It should only be expected that they come in different colors or have different languages and cultures. If anything, the only thing that should require an "explanation" is if a species is not diverse.

 

[Therin of Andor]

If anything, the only thing that should require an "explanation" is if a species is not diverse.

I get asked, at least once almost every month (since 1980), why Andorians have so many variations - and the questioners don't mean why did each makeup artist use different makeup techniques.

Next time I'll say, "They are as diverse as humans" - and I guarantee they won't be satisfied with that answer.

 

[Christopher]

^And that's just sad. People are so quick to think in terms of stereotypes. But that doesn't mean that kind of thinking should be pandered to.

 

[F. King Daniel]

It wasn't the intent of (for example) the ENT people to make a new, previously unseen race of Andorians (err...not including the Aenar, I'm talking about the way the makeup is done). They were just updating what had gone before and putting their own spin on it. It's just us fans BSing excuses to fit them all together.
The aliens on TV all tend to look the same (at least within whatever Trek generation) so we the viewers can tell what they're supposed to be.

 

[Therin of Andor]

^And that's just sad. People are so quick to think in terms of stereotypes. But that doesn't mean that kind of thinking should be pandered to.

Okay, from now on the answer to everything shall be, "How would I know?"

 

[HugoDeVries]

Thanks for the info re the Star Trek art, so the auction is for the 2nd appearence of the Orion pirates then, rather than slave girls etc (whatever the shade!)

Just to clarify though the Harry Mudd cover on CAF is mine and is not for sale though thanks for the mails, the auctions however are NOT mine, the guy has 3 pages running now and says he has more, (splashes, ships and mirror universe pages), though exactly what i dont know, just send him a mail and ask away i suppose.

Though if anyone has any Harry Mudd pages or any art from Sandman Mystery Theatre, Dune or The Black Hole then id be VERY interested.

One other comic related question did Garth Of Izar from Whom Gods Destory ever crop up in the comics, as always like that episode/Character.

Cheers

 

[JD]

According to Memory Beta, he appears in the TOS DC Series one arc "Who Killed Captain Kirk".

 

[Therin of Andor]

According to Memory Beta, he appears in the TOS DC Series one arc "Who Killed Captain Kirk".

He's using a pseudonym, Zair, an anagram of "Izar". Finally revealed in:

#55 Oct 1988, "Finnegan's wake"
"Finnegan unearths the truth about Bearclaw's attempt on Kirk's life, but Garth of Izar (Whom Gods Destroy) gets the drop on him and makes one last attempt to kill Kirk. Events occurring in this storyline are explored again in TNG novel, Strike Zone."

http://homepage.mac.com/mmtz/stcomix/dc1tos.html

 

[HugoDeVries]

Thanks again for the info, Just read that Garth story and wasnt that great, he only crops up for a couple of pages as a rather generic baddie, seemed like they used him just because they wanted a villian for the story rather than write a tale that exploited the potential of the Garth character, pity as he always seemed to have the potential to be another Khan.

Plus i didnt win that art from ebay, oh well, congrats to who ever did.

 

[Therin of Andor]

Thanks again for the info, Just read that Garth story and wasnt that great, he only crops up for a couple of pages as a rather generic baddie, seemed like they used him just because they wanted a villian for the story

You may have missed the sweep of the whole arc.

Ensign Bloemker, a young female crew member, was introduced several issues earlier and, behind the scenes, was apparently killed and then impersonated via the transforming powers of the vengeful Garth of Izar (aka Captain Zair). The reading audience is quite oblivious of this, except for a peculiar scene in the "Haunted Honeymoon" issue, where Kirk's crew end up trapped inside a scary group illusion - and someone notices that innocent-seeming Bloemker has cast herself into the section of Hell reserved for "traitors".

Of course, issues later, we do learn about Captain Zair and the pieces of the "Who Killed Captain Kirk?" mystery, and exactly who was being impersonated when, come together.