DC Comics Ongoing Discussion
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This does seem to have been pretty explicitly recton'd, which is particularly because while makes it clear that he was open with some of his colleagues on the JSA, he omits to mention being open about himself to Molly.
Which it is a problem for me because honesty (rather than necessarily attraction) was often more important in those days, so leaving the implication of deceit on his part kinda sours the interaction for me, particularly given that adding something about him telling her and them agreeing to a "mutually convienent arrangement" wouldn't have been difficult to include or historically inaccurate.
I'm not necessarily against the idea that he's also had homosexual relationships, it's more that neither he (nor his kids who might be expected to be more up on modern terminology) questioned his use of "gay" rather than one of the "non-monosexual" terms, which would seem to respect and preserve his past history better.
Yeah, I agree with you. This new take on Alan essentially completely changes what we saw of his relationship with Molly and that's a shame imo. I don't think it was well thought out at all. They should have picked another Golden Age character. I liked that pre-Flashpoint Alan Scott just as he was.
But, again, I do think that Tim Sheridan's story is a good one to tell, just with another Golden Age character that's not Alan Scott, Jay Garrick, Ted Grant, or Rex Tyler. There were plenty of other Golden Age DC characters to choose from, including some in the JSA ( e.g. Dr. Midnite and Johnny Thunder).
I was thinking that one thing that might've been kind of cool was if, Kyle's buddy Terry Berg, from Judd Winick's GL run, got Alan's ring. Say Alan dies and retires or whatever and Terry, who is gay, gets it.
Terry almost got murdered by homophobes. I think there's potential for some drama there, with him getting the power to do so many things with Alan's ring, and really trying to move past that anger and trauma.
Have Alan or the simuclarum of the battery of Alan (from Gerard Jones GL run) as Terry's counselor.
Yeah, you couldn't tell the closeted gay in the 40s story with Terry, but that doesn't mean there isn't other types of drama you can explore with what poor Terry went through.
And as far as Lemire, I liked what he did on the New 52 Justice League Dark. I think his JSA book might be good, even if I have to grit my teeth with this imposter Golden Age Green Lantern Alan Scott.
So did I, more to the point, I likely the Scott family and the dynamic they had with others, including Kyle.
Given that most of the prominent GA characters had romantic interests (though only a few had kids), you'd have a similar issue as far as the "gay" rather than "had gay relationships" messaging.
I could go with that.
Agreed.
A plus point would be that in this case they'd be more likely to actually show the story, rather than basically telling us through snippets.
Yeah, you're right. The whole family dynamic. We saw Alan's affection and love for Molly, his love for his daughter and the tense, but loving, relationship with his gay son Todd. Wasn't that good enough for DC? What about exploring that relationship between a straight dad of the WWII era reconciling that his son is gay. I guess they were indeed doing that in JSA before Flashpoint erased them, but I had stopped reading the book after Johns left.
As to your second point, yeah, a lot of them did have romantic interests. Maybe all of them did, but you probably could find one that was at least plausible, right? I mean, LGBTQ+ folks were all in the closet at that time.
Absolutely.
Yeah, I know they did a great one of Batman, too, based on Jim Lee, I believe.
Of course, right on the comments section, people said it should have been Hal Jordan and it was all DEI, woke etc.
Yeah, that was probably there, in terms of diversity. That's why John Stewart was the GL in the Justice League animated series, which led to him replacing Kyle Rayner in JLA during Kyle's run, and, pretty much, forever (although I guss Jessica Cruz and Baz were stuck in the JLA slot by Hal, John returned later).
That's why Jo Mullein is going to be the star of Absolute Green Lantern too.
That's why for a Latino super hero comic, Kyle Rayner is on the cover because his father was Mexican.
It's just the age we're in. These minority groups didn't have the exposure in earlier decades. It's taken us a long time to evolve as a society. I look on this prevalence, now, of inclusion, beyond what I would say are actual demographics in some cases, it's making up for all those other decades. I'm good with that. All kinds of folks need heroes they can connect with. Things will settle down in time, hopefully. People on boht sides will just stop feeling threatened by others' differences.
Yeah, Jordan's my favorite GL, but I'm good with this first statue being John (and the main GL of the new DCU being John too, even if I think it's sad that Hal is probably going to be kicked to the curb). I read comments on a MB about how much Neal Adams pushed for John Stewart, how much he wanted DC to have a black superhero and he and Denny O'Neil did it. John Stewart is, really, probably DC's most important black character. I think he was the first.
And, yeah, this statue look great. So that's two, Batman and Stewart. I wonder if a Superman statue has been done in Burbank, and, if so, what artist did they use for it? Alex Ross? Or, better yet, Gary Frank, whose Superman was always Christopher Reeves. Yeah, I'd go with Gary Frank.
Such comments, and such people, are not worth the time of anyone's day.
Black Lightning might have been the first black DC character to get his own book, but John precedes him by several years as a character.
I wonder if he's the first black character not to have the word "Black" in his super-hero name.
Probably.
The Falcon (1969) He also co-headlined the Captain America title starting in 1971. He's also the first African-American Superhero.
I recently stumbled upon the new Absolute Series of comics ( Batman, Superman and Wonder Woman), have read Batman and Superman and have yet to read Wonder Woman.
I liked Batman a lot, Superman is just one isue but i'm not sure yet. What's the consensus about them? Seems to me DC took the Ultimate idea of Marvel and ran with it ( coincidentally Marvel also picked up their Ultimate series and started fresh, also reading that), i like these alternate takes on established lore that frees up the writers from decades of lore and gives them the chance of mixing it up a little but keeping in the spirit of the original.
I liked Batman a lot, Superman is just one isue but i'm not sure yet. What's the consensus about them? Seems to me DC took the Ultimate idea of Marvel and ran with it ( coincidentally Marvel also picked up their Ultimate series and started fresh, also reading that), i like these alternate takes on established lore that frees up the writers from decades of lore and gives them the chance of mixing it up a little but keeping in the spirit of the original.
Working class Bruce is an interesting twist. As are working class Els on Krypton. Haven't read WW, so I don't know if she's working class too.
Yeah well, a civil engineer ain't exactly working class anymore but still a far cry away from a billionaire. Still love the ingenuity of his gadgets, turning the bat symbol on his chest into an axe is cool AF.
True, but he started "working class". Teacher dad. Social Worker mother.
Which is an interesting twist on Batman, but to me that's such a major deviation from the established version of the character that it doesn't work as Bruce Wayne (at least not the familiar original that started things off).
IMO, it would work much better as a reboot of Terry McGinnis (set in the present but relative to "Gotham by Gaslight" Bruce or a new WWII version) or for that matter an entirely new Batman, because it's actually a pretty good storyline outside of that.
As far as "Absolute Superman" goes I've got no issue with his origin as it's an internally consistent change based on existing lore (castes don't exactly work that way on Earth, but maybe they do on Krypton), but I'm not overly keen on the direction that they're going with in terms of his "current activities", but it's early days so far...
My opinions on "Absolute Wonder Woman" are somewhat similar, not a fan of her being Diana, or her current activities on the title, but the storyline is fairly plausible and consistent with existing lore despite the deviation.
