DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

[Mudd]

 

[The Realist]

Routh’s Superman wanted so desperately to remind everyone of the good parts of Reeve’s take, that they didn’t give him his own identity. Props to the Arrowverse for making him the Kingdom Come version of the character. As sad as that outcome is for any version of Clark.

If it makes you feel any better -- and it should, and is meant to -- it's strongly implied that Routh's Superman had a happier history in the reset multiverse post-Crisis. The black mourning background of his S-shield is replaced in his final shot with the traditional yellow.

Presumably the Planet tragedy didn't happen in his new timeline.

Super speed rescue of a girl in super slow-mo! Haha.

Snyder didn't invent the use of slow motion for dramatic effect, and overuse doesn't grant ownership.

 

[BillJ]

Agreed; it was the most visually striking ever created for the character and you point out, alien in appearance, which was perfect for obvious reasons about the character. It matched the power and presence of Cavill as Superman, instead of looking like a loose diving suit, or rubber.

Then there’s the flip side. I think Cavil’s suit is the absolute worst of the bunch. Ignoring that Superman is supposed to be a beacon of light, they instead chose to trade in 2013 goth. Along with the rest of the Snyderverse.

Dark for the sake of dark, ignoring how it is supposed to represent the character.

 

[Mudd]

If it makes you feel any better -- and it should, and is meant to -- it's strongly implied that Routh's Superman had a happier history in the reset multiverse post-Crisis. The black mourning background of his S-shield is replaced in his final shot with the traditional yellow.

Presumably the Planet tragedy didn't happen in his new timeline.

Snyder didn't invent the use of slow motion for dramatic effect, and overuse doesn't grant ownership.

Exactly. Snyder's fans overestimate both the originality of his visuals and his influence.

That said, Gunn has acknowledged using elements from every version of Superman he likes - the comics (specifically All-Star Superman) Reeve movies, and so on - including Snyder. Which is fine.

 

[Set Harth]

and as yet to be determined elements from Snyder’s take.

We already have the anti-Superman protesters, and I can't be the only one who thought of MoS when Superman plummeted into the snow.

 

[Mudd]

 

[Mudd]

Then there’s the flip side. I think Cavil’s suit is the absolute worst of the bunch.

Cavill's is a long way from being my favorite, but I'd rate Routh's movie outfit as the worst. He looked like a Chippendales dancer (and boy, does that reference date me).

An extraordinary physique is a nice-to-have for a Superman actor rather than a prerequisite. If it were otherwise, there would never have been any live-action Superman media other than Cavill's.

Speaking of the costume, star David Corenswet made it clear that "the suit looks a lot cooler than it feels." He gave detail about how much of wearing the suit was "not glamorous", with the actor being rigged up to cranes and pulleys. He outlined this process, describing the suit as hot, before going into details about how the costume felt and what it meant to be seen in it. While wearing the costume had some meaning unto itself, he stressed the significance of others seeing him in the costume.

"It's like when you get, I don't know, a nice haircut, and you forget about it, but then you walk around, and everybody's like, whoa, you look great. For once, I walked on set, and I had others who saw me in the suit for the first time. So I got to see other people see Superman, and I didn't feel like Superman, but it was so amazing watching my cast mates and the crew members who are also getting to work on this amazing historic piece of media. The moments when they saw it for the first time or when they saw Superman fly for the first time, not getting to be that particular, but getting to witness them, witness it. And then the best thing is seeing kids see it when crew people would bring their kids to set or getting to see first person, a five, 6-year-old kid see Superman. There's nothing like it. It's amazing."

James Gunn was with him, who provided more context into the designing and creating of the costume, saying that he "didn't want to have it look like a wet t-shirt" and "didn't want it to have a bunch of fake muscles in it." That was a difficult task in a superhero production, though, which led to some doubts when it was finished. Gunn describes being convinced by Corenswet that the suit truly did suit the character, with the director explaining how Corenswet's perception of Superman's colorful costume and character influenced him.

"David goes, yeah, he's an alien from outer space who's super powerful, who doesn't want children to be afraid of him. And it touched me in the moment, and it touches me now as I say it is, that is who he is, and that's where the costume comes from, and that goes along with Jerry and Joe's original vision with the heartening back to wrestlers in the circus and these other things. And that's who Superman is. And that's why he has a reason for his color; his costume is so colorful. It's because he doesn't want to scare children. He's got red beams that come out of his eyes. He can blow over things with his breath. He wants to not be scary to children."

Where the suit's concerned, I'm reminded of friends who reacted badly to Burton's complete redesign of Batman's costume. The notion that Bats would wear body armor (or what looked like it, anyway) just offended the hell out of them.

What Burton did, and Singer after him with X-Men, was dispose once and for all with the notion that movies needed to literally translate decades-old costume designs from the pages of comics. Marvel has made really effective use of that, as Snyder did to some extent with the details in MoS, the caveat being that his take on how to do it is far from the only or best.

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Technically the last thing we see "him" do is the volcano thing in The Flash, despite the fact that it's an indistinct CGI double.

And if one were to discount that for whatever reason, then the last thing he did was...talk to Black Adam?

The day just started and I mad now.

Haha

Man, what was the previous regime at WB thinking with their faceless, CGI cameos of their most popular character? Glad they’re all out on their asses now.

If it makes you feel any better -- and it should, and is meant to -- it's strongly implied that Routh's Superman had a happier history in the reset multiverse post-Crisis. The black mourning background of his S-shield is replaced in his final shot with the traditional yellow.

Presumably the Planet tragedy didn't happen in his new timeline.

I forgot about the Post-Crisis fly-by scene. That does make me feel better.

Snyder didn't invent the use of slow motion for dramatic effect, and overuse doesn't grant ownership.

Exactly. Snyder's fans overestimate both the originality of his visuals and his influence.

That said, Gunn has acknowledged using elements from every version of Superman he likes - the comics (specifically All-Star Superman) Reeve movies, and so on - including Snyder. Which is fine.

Just a joke, shipmates.

Snyder and slow-mo is a pop culture meme at this point. Even child’s programming like Animaniacs is poking fun at it.

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[The Realist]

Speaking of the costume, star David Corenswet made it clear that "the suit looks a lot cooler than it feels." He gave detail about how much of wearing the suit was "not glamorous", with the actor being rigged up to cranes and pulleys. He outlined this process, describing the suit as hot, before going into details about how the costume felt and what it meant to be seen in it. While wearing the costume had some meaning unto itself, he stressed the significance of others seeing him in the costume.

"It's like when you get, I don't know, a nice haircut, and you forget about it, but then you walk around, and everybody's like, whoa, you look great. For once, I walked on set, and I had others who saw me in the suit for the first time. So I got to see other people see Superman, and I didn't feel like Superman, but it was so amazing watching my cast mates and the crew members who are also getting to work on this amazing historic piece of media. The moments when they saw it for the first time or when they saw Superman fly for the first time, not getting to be that particular, but getting to witness them, witness it. And then the best thing is seeing kids see it when crew people would bring their kids to set or getting to see first person, a five, 6-year-old kid see Superman. There's nothing like it. It's amazing."

James Gunn was with him, who provided more context into the designing and creating of the costume, saying that he "didn't want to have it look like a wet t-shirt" and "didn't want it to have a bunch of fake muscles in it." That was a difficult task in a superhero production, though, which led to some doubts when it was finished. Gunn describes being convinced by Corenswet that the suit truly did suit the character, with the director explaining how Corenswet's perception of Superman's colorful costume and character influenced him.

"David goes, yeah, he's an alien from outer space who's super powerful, who doesn't want children to be afraid of him. And it touched me in the moment, and it touches me now as I say it is, that is who he is, and that's where the costume comes from, and that goes along with Jerry and Joe's original vision with the heartening back to wrestlers in the circus and these other things. And that's who Superman is. And that's why he has a reason for his color; his costume is so colorful. It's because he doesn't want to scare children. He's got red beams that come out of his eyes. He can blow over things with his breath. He wants to not be scary to children."

I love what thoughtful and apt takes on the character both Corenswet and Gunn seem to have in these quotes.

 

[USS Firefly]

If it makes you feel any better -- and it should, and is meant to -- it's strongly implied that Routh's Superman had a happier history in the reset multiverse post-Crisis. The black mourning background of his S-shield is replaced in his final shot with the traditional yellow.

Presumably the Planet tragedy didn't happen in his new timeline.

Snyder didn't invent the use of slow motion for dramatic effect, and overuse doesn't grant ownership.

Now I want Routh back as a older Superman

 

[M.A.C.O.]

Now I want Routh back as a older Superman

Same. Sony made it work for their 3 Spider-Men. Disney (chiefly Ryan Reynolds and Shawn Levy) made it work for Deadpool and Wolverine.

WB could give us the same thing with Routh, Cavil and Corenswet. If they ever get their head out of their ass.

 

[Ithekro]

"Should?" You're pretending this is a moral issue instead of a matter of taste? So, what, you think Ron Jones, Kevin Kiner, Jay Gruska, Shirley Walker, Robert J. Kral, Blake Neely, Hans Zimmer, etc. committed some kind of sin by writing their own, often excellent Superman themes instead of just copying Williams? Hell, by your logic, John Williams "should" have been required to reuse Sammy Timberg's theme! "Should" is a word that makes no conceivable sense here.

I am viewing this after watching dozens of people's reactions to this teaser. Several are crying by the end (I was as well) specifically because the music caused an emotional reaction. That the notes of a theme song cause such an emotional reaction for just a teaser, means that if a director wants the audience to have such emotions, it would be logical to keep that theme in the film in some capacity for those times you want the audience to feel such emotions. It would be illogical not to use such a power tool.

It doesn't have to dominate the film. But it should still be used. Again, like the Alexander Courage theme. It is used sparingly in the Wrath of Khan and other films, but it is used. At the head of the new Horner theme to get the audience into the film, and then in the end with Spock narrating the famous "Space. The Final Frontier", speech.

 

[Tuskin38]

 

[Christopher]

To me, and I'm sure to many, the Williams Superman theme is the definitive one.

I love the Williams theme. It's one of my favorite John Williams compositions. But I don't think it's fair that so many other worthy composers and their excellent Superman themes -- Timberg, Klatzkin, Jones, Kiner, Gruska, Walker, Kral, Febre, Neely, etc. -- get ignored or devalued because they're not Williams. And it certainly wouldn't be fair to deprive future composers of their chance to write their own great new Superman themes. Why does it have to be a zero-sum game? Why can't we celebrate all the Superman composers and welcome new ones to join in the grand tradition?

 

[DaveyNY]

I think a lot of it has to do with Christopher Reeve's life after playing the character.
He became as beloved a 'character' as the DC character he played.
The John Williams theme is forever tied to his portrayal and folks will always remember him fondly when hearing that theme.
The 1978 movie isn't the only thing tied to that particular emotion.

 

[BillJ]

 

[Set Harth]

Where the suit's concerned, I'm reminded of friends who reacted badly to Burton's complete redesign of Batman's costume. The notion that Bats would wear body armor (or what looked like it, anyway) just offended the hell out of them.

lol

What Burton did, and Singer after him with X-Men, was dispose once and for all with the notion that movies needed to literally translate decades-old costume designs from the pages of comics.

Only for certain fans to clamor endlessly for the return of the comics-accurate Wolverine costume.

 

[Mudd]

lol

Only for certain fans to clamor endlessly for the return of the comics-accurate Wolverine costume.

There will always be "certain fans."

 

[BillJ]

Only for certain fans to clamor endlessly for the return of the comics-accurate Wolverine costume.

Since there's only 18 billion iterations of these characters across mounds of media, it doesn't hurt to sometimes be authentic to the comics.

 

[DarrenTR1970]

I broke down and watched a few videos of people's reactions to the trailer and to see adults and children start to get teary eyed and smile when the theme music starts and Krypto shows up, to read the comments from others saying the same thing tugs at the heartstrings. John Williams score is as much a part of Superman as anything else.