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DC Cinematic Universe ( The James Gunn era)

Goddamn, that's how you make a hype trailer.

After the shit Ironheart trailer earlier today i get to see this, the polar opposite.

We finally see Corenswet talking and it's awesome. He seems like a really good Superman and Clark Kent, his chemistry with Lois Lane/Brosnahan seems to be sizzling (loved how she got a rise out of him by asking confrontational questions as any good reporter should do occasionally) and the fights look stunning. I even didn't pay attention to the red underwear :lol:

Well Disney, you fucked up royally by alienating Gunn because he took his magic to your competitor and it seems he delivered. If this is a portent of things to come DC will get the upper hand over Marvel in the coming years and even as a die hard Marvel fan i wouldn't mind.
 
A decent trailer. Lois being some government supporting stooge complaining about Superman saving people sucks but matches the modern take of Lois Lane being an unlikable asshole who takes up too much screen time in Superman stories (seriously, why would Superman give a shit what the US Government thinks of his actions? He doesn't work for them, and in the comics he rejected US citizenship specifically to shut the US Government up). Also, before someone says anything, she's not just "asking hard questions", she's 100% being a Government supporting toady and no one with any morality would even remotely imply that Superman shouldn't save people because the Government might not like it.

But besides Lois being crap, which is to be expected, it was a good trailer. Clark/Superman feels in character, which is the most important part. It feels like its going to be a decent movie with a bad supporting cast but a great Superman, which at this point is more then I thought we'd ever get in a post Man of Steel world.
 
Looks promising. I'm not sure I buy Superman's attitude in the interview; he seems too arrogant and convinced he's right. I doubt someone so powerful could've made it to adulthood undiscovered without learning how to consider his every move with great care. Maybe the story is about him learning humility after making a big mistake and becoming a better hero because of it, but that's an arc I feel we've seen too often in superhero movies (Thor, Shazam!, etc.).

My favorite moment was the guy checking that Superman was all right and helping him out of the hole in the pavement. Scenes with ordinary people rising to the aid of the vastly more powerful superhero always push my buttons.


I don’t know how Superman can illegally enter a country when he’s Superman and not bound to America’s nonsense.

The same way any private citizen entering a country without going through proper immigration channels is entering it illegally (although that's a misdemeanor under US law, contrary to the rhetoric of hatemongering politicians).


I wish he gave him his own theme. Using the ‘78 one again just sounds lazy

I agree. It's not analogous to something like the James Bond theme, because the Bond theme has been used exclusively from the start of the series, while the Williams theme is itself a pastiche of earlier Superman themes by Sammy Timberg (the 1940s cartoons and radio series) and Leon Klatzkin (the George Reeves TV series), and there have been numerous other great Superman or Superboy themes over the decades from the likes of Ron Jones, Kevin Kiner, Jay Gruska, Shirley Walker, Robert J. Kral, etc. I always liked it when composers would introduce their own takes, so the trend to reuse the Williams theme is disappointing.

But I can live with it as long as they arrange and integrate the theme into the film's score in a creative way, rather than just clumsily doing a needle drop of the original arrangement when Superman does something heroic like Superman Returns did. Maybe they could do something like what Ron Jones did in the '88 Ruby-Spears animated series, whose main title music started with the Williams theme and then modulated seamlessly into Jones's original Superman theme.
 
I'm more sold on this than I was before, but also not to a degree where I MUST see this in cinema's. I'll decide mid July.

I think this is one of the few movies or movie types that one should see on the big screen nowadays and just take the cost on the chin.

Way back in the 80s, 90s and early 00s i would watch anything that caught my interest at the movies, even comedies and dramas that strictly speaking didn't need a big movie screen. Today, even though i can afford it, i only go to the movies for those big event movies and i have to really want to see it before i blow 50 bucks on a single movie ( ticket + dinner of course).
 
Bond was a continuing series with the same character in the same universe. Superman is not, so it is lazy (or desperate) to use music created for a different production, as if its universal to any adaptation. Bob Harris & Paul Francis Webster's theme to the 1967-70 Spider-Man animated series is undoubtedly one of the most memorable, character-associated themes ever composed, yet it was not shamelessly used as the main title / character theme for Raimi or Webb's Spider-Man films. The cartoon theme is referenced in-universe, but again, the producers of both movie series did not feel one production's music was the default for all other, unrelated adaptations, as each is supposed to be its own creation with its own identity.

You might have had a point, but for the Craig reboot using the same theme. But even if you did have a point...

The use of recurring musical cues as a storytelling device dates back to well before movies and serves a purpose well beyond "laziness" or "desperation." It helps set the tone and atmosphere and serve as an emotional guide to the audience while also helping to establish character and theme.

Further, it is a well established practice in movies for directors to use music created for a different production when it serves a valid storytelling or emotional purpose. Using the Williams theme here is no lazier or desperate than Coppola using "Flight of Valkyries" in "Apocalypse Now" or Tarantino using pre-existing music for pretty much off of his movies. In all such cases, it serves the purpose of informing the audience who the character is, using immediately recognizable music.

And, most importantly, John Williams' Superman theme is just too damn perfect
 
The same way any private citizen entering a country without going through proper immigration channels is entering it illegally (although that's a misdemeanor under US law, contrary to the rhetoric of hatemongering politicians).
My point is with Superman being an actual alien, he’s illegal everywhere. :)
 
any private citizen entering a country without going through proper immigration channels is entering it illegally (although that's a misdemeanor under US law, contrary to the rhetoric of hatemongering politicians).
Not to quibble or go further down the political rabbit hole with you but a federal misdemeanor is a criminal offense punished but up to a year in federal prison. In fact, a number of the Jan 6 protesters were charged and imprisoned federal misdemeanors (see, e.g., 18 U.S.C. § 1752, which covers unlawful entry or remaining in restricted grounds or buildings). So, I'm not sure how that's contrary to anyone's rhetoric about entering a country illegally.
 
My point is with Superman being an actual alien, he’s illegal everywhere. :)

No, because, as I said, illegal entry is a misdemeanor and has a statute of limitations that would have long since expired. Also, any foundling in the US is presumed to be a US citizen by birth unless proof to the contrary is found before they turn five.

For that matter, American airspace extends to the top of the atmosphere, so if his capsule's entry was steep enough, then it wouldn't necessarily have crossed any legally recognized borders.
 
My favorite line by far is "I cleaned your boots."

Ma is not being passive. She's not holding Clark back. There is no "Please, son, don't go. You might be killed!" She's doing what she can, humble it may be, to help her boy win the day. God, I love that.
 
Judging by the comments in the Official YouTube Trailer page, it breaks down to Voice Change, Theme and Krypto in that order.
A lot of people are saying they grew up on the Christopher Reeve movie and the 'Miss Lane' and theme are hitting them a lot more emotionally than they thought it would.​
 
There's more than enough of the Richard Donner influence here to grab my interest...

Hardly a guarantee. Superman Returns was loaded with Donner influence, and it was a disappointment. I wanted to see Bryan Singer make Bryan Singer's Superman, not just a flawed imitation of Donner's Superman. And I want to see James Gunn make James Gunn's Superman. Imitating someone else can never be as worthwhile as doing your own thing, because you can't be someone else as well as they could.
 
Very Superman #900 with that “stopping a war” story. I don’t know how Superman can illegally enter a country when he’s Superman and not bound to America’s nonsense.
He's an American citizen, so he would be required to follow the same procedures any other person traeling from the US to whatever country that was would.
I also like that this makes it definite that Lois knows the secret. It’s always better when Lois knows.
I'm not so sure about that.
A decent trailer. Lois being some government supporting stooge complaining about Superman saving people sucks but matches the modern take of Lois Lane being an unlikable asshole who takes up too much screen time in Superman stories (seriously, why would Superman give a shit what the US Government thinks of his actions? He doesn't work for them, and in the comics he rejected US citizenship specifically to shut the US Government up). Also, before someone says anything, she's not just "asking hard questions", she's 100% being a Government supporting toady and no one with any morality would even remotely imply that Superman shouldn't save people because the Government might not like it.
What the hell are you talking about, that is a perfectly legitmate questions to ask after what apparently happened after he stopped the war. I don't see her as a government supporting stooge at all, she's just a good, honest reporter asking the kind of questions that would definitely come up in a situation like this. Like said before, he is a US citizen who apparently went into foreign country, possibly uninvited, and interfered in their conflict.
But besides Lois being crap, which is to be expected, it was a good trailer. Clark/Superman feels in character, which is the most important part. It feels like its going to be a decent movie with a bad supporting cast but a great Superman, which at this point is more then I thought we'd ever get in a post Man of Steel world.
Wow, so you can tell the entire supporting cast is going to bad just because of a few lines from one of the movies three leads? That's pretty impressive, because I don't really know how anybody can tell how the movie is going to approach characters like Perry White, Ron Troupe, or Hawkgirl from what we've seen so far.
I think this is one of the few movies or movie types that one should see on the big screen nowadays and just take the cost on the chin.

Way back in the 80s, 90s and early 00s i would watch anything that caught my interest at the movies, even comedies and dramas that strictly speaking didn't need a big movie screen. Today, even though i can afford it, i only go to the movies for those big event movies and i have to really want to see it before i blow 50 bucks on a single movie ( ticket + dinner of course).
I'm the same way, we don't spend nearly that much when we go see movies, but I've found that I can enjoy smaller scale movies just as much for free(ish) on streaming as I paying to see them in theaters, so I only go for the big stuff.
Loved the trailer.
It's looking like this is going to have great versions of Lois and Clark, the back and forth during the interview was fantastic. But I'm not sure if it actually means she knows, it seemed to me like she could have asked Clark to pretend to be Superman so she could practice for an interview with him later, not realizing that she's actually interviewing Superman.
Is Lex going to be the US President in this? The way they cut to Lex when Lois mentioned the president made it seem like she might have been talking about him.
It looks like this is also going to have great versions of Johnathan and Marth too. What we saw of the talk between Clark and Johnathan seemed nice, and loved Martha's line about cleaning his boots.
It looks like this going to have a lot of fantastic action sequences.
As a dog person, I loved the how shocked Lois was that he has a dog, and then Krypto laying on his chest.
 
What the hell did you watch????
What the hell are you talking about
So say we all. :lol:
But I'm not sure if it actually means she knows, it seemed to me like she could have asked Clark to pretend to be Superman so she could practice for an interview with him later, not realizing that she's actually interviewing Superman.
That’s interesting. You could be on to something. The scene actually could play that way, especially with the way she pointedly says, “Superman” when he starts objecting to her questions — reminding him of the “role” he’s supposed to be playing, and wondering why he seems to be taking it so personally?

It could even be the scene where she figures it out.
 
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