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Day of the Dove

I've not seen alot of season 3, always been put off by negative reviews. So I only just bothered to watch this and it was great! Makes me wonder how many other gems I've yet to discover!

Here's how I rated the 3rd season episodes. Note that even the Poor and Bad ones have good moments.

***** Excellent
“Elaan Of Troyius”
“The Enterprise Incident”
“Is There In Truth No Beauty?”
“The Tholian Web”

**** Good
“Spectre Of The Gun”
“The Empath”
“Day Of The Dove”
“Plato’s Stepchildren”
“That Which Survives”
“The Cloud Minders”
“The Way To Eden”
“Requiem For Methuselah”

*** Fair
“The Paradise Syndrome”
“For The World Is Hollow And I Have Touched The Sky
“Let That Be Your Last Battlefield”
“The Lights Of Zetar”
“The Savage Curtain”
“All Our Yesterdays”

** Poor
“Spock’s Brain”
“The Mark Of Gideon”
“Turnabout Intruder”

* Bad
“And The Children Shall Lead”
“Wink Of An Eye”
“Whom Gods Destroy”
 
I've not seen alot of season 3, always been put off by negative reviews. So I only just bothered to watch this and it was great! Makes me wonder how many other gems I've yet to discover!

You're all correct - alot of open ended questions/answers.

"Stardate: Armageddon" :lol:

I envy your being able to watch them for a first time. S3 got weirder/cooler, tho as noted on a recent S3, the writing is weaker. The new producer took things back to a more sci-fi direction, rather than parallel-planet-of-the-week (a gross oversimplification of S2, i admit). For weird, try Empath or Spectre. Tholian Web is very good Star Trek. I am a fan of Way to Eden, for its weirdness and nice Chekov subplot.

Let us know what you think, if you watch some more.
 
Easily half the season is worthwhile and with another handful of watchable episodes. It's far from being a write-off as a season.
 
Why did so much time have to pass between Day of the Dove and The Undiscovered Country for Kirk et al to loosen up on the race hatred towards the Klingons. You would have thought that the events during DOTD would have spawned at least some sense of openness between the two governments; or at least in the mind of Kirk.
 
Yup; just saw a pic of a friend from then: white-fro, high shorts and high socks with two stripes around the top. Ow, my eyes.
 
I much prefer to talk about the young ladies of that era, rather than the guys. :vulcan:

Back to "Day of the Dove": I always assumed that if the Pinwheel Alien had the ability to transmute phasers into swords and to alter the ship's decks so they could not be cut-through, then it would seem possible that it would have the power (or find some way to harness it) to stop the aging processes of the corporeal lifeforms involved.

If there's a big plot hole in the episode, it is in explaining why the Pinwheel Alien went to the trouble of getting the Enterprise to destroy the Klingon ship, then take the Enterprise on a high-warp Flying Dutchman out into isolated deep space, and then cause the ship to fail in the middle of nowhere. What would happen when the power and ship's supplies ran out? Humans and Klingons both supposedly need heat, light, gravity, food, water and waste treatment to function properly. Cut those support services off and they "will die in the icy could of space." I imagined that the Alien had a destination in mind; maybe a far-off planet where the warring crews would fight while the starship would fall out of orbit after all its systems would fail, isolating Kirk and Kang and company indefinitely. That's the only way to make sense of it, at least as far as I could see.

The episode is flawed, and the only way I could see to make the plot flow more logically would be to either do a Neural-like situation where the Alien would be caught manipulating warring factions on a primitive planet. (Of course, this would be similar to "A Private Little War"; but then "Day" is just a re-write of that premise anyway.)

The only other way I could see this alien-instigated-war story being brought to life more sensibly would be if there were a story arc, spanning multiple episodes. It could work, but it would have starship battles and armed landing party confrontations instead of sword fights.

Regardless of how the story would be written (or how it was done), the biggest weak point of all is how Kirk and Spock were able to find the alien and corner it. Something that sneaky and powerful would seem to be impossible for its victims to confront. So no matter how you look at it, the whole story concept suffers from some serious plot holes.

Despite all that, Kang and the other Klingons in this ep were great. Too bad they didn't have a stronger story. I thought it would have been great to see a cut-throat drama with swirling intrigue involving the Klingons, the Romulans, the Enterprise and possibly other aliens after some Holy Grail as well. It would be great to see Kang and the female Romulan Commander at first conspiring to thwart Kirk, then turning on each other and less-advanced aliens pulling everyone's strings by falsifying messages or planting bombs or something like that.
 
if the Pinwheel Alien had the ability to transmute phasers into swords and to alter the ship's decks so they could not be cut-through

The alternative to that is that the alien had powers of illusion similar to those of the Talosians. They can make air look and feel like solid steel, but they can't order Kirk or Pike to do things with that steel - they can only lure them into doing things.

So, perhaps the ship never quite went to high warp or broke down? The final scene doesn't really tell; they could still be in orbit of the colony, and perhaps Kang's crew was there, too, fighting its own internal battle and thinking that their battle cruiser was flying across the universe.

On the other hand, Kirk accuses the thing of possibly having caused "a lot of suffering, a lot of history". Perhaps these aliens really instigate worldwide wars, and this one had simply finished with driving the local world mad (perhaps a long time ago - or perhaps recently, in which case it was hiding the signs of its deeds) and was seeking transportation to the next destination. The way this was accomplished allowed the thing to have a little inflight snack; the ship breaking down would have been a mere accident, then.

Timo Saloniemi
 
There weren't any clues in the narrative that the sword wounds were illusory. We were told, by Kirk—the protagonist—that the brother, the colony, and the distress calls were imagined in the same breath that he asserts that the weapons are real. That's the last word on the subject in the episode.

If it's all just an illusion, it's the responsibility of the narrative to pull us out of the illusion at some point in the story—unless ambiguity is the point of the narrative. But when has that sort of ambiguity ever been the rule in Star Trek? Indeed, when has it ever occurred in Star Trek?
 
Well, all the time, essentially. That is, if the episode as written makes limited sense, there's typically always an opening for a different interpretation that makes more sense - even if it presupposes that the characters were wrong, ignorant or lying.

In this particular episode, the characters are exceptionally fallible, as we know for a fact that they believe in unreal things. The conclusion has them shake off their confusion, but it doesn't conclude much else: we learn nothing about what will happen to the Klingons, or to those who were dead (for real, or illusorily) at the time of the departure of the alien, or what the ship's condition really is and where they are. The framing of the final shots even prevents us from seeing whether the swords reverted back to phasers or not...

Timo Saloniemi
 
That's true, and those are among the reasons why this episode could have used another rewrite. I just think in this case that certain interpretations are much more likely than others, by the narrative structure, flawed though that structure was.
 
S3 gems: "Spectre of the Gun," "The Tholian Web," "Day of the Dove," "the Enterprse Incident" and "Whom Gods Destroy."
 
If there's a big plot hole in the episode, it is in explaining why the Pinwheel Alien went to the trouble of getting the Enterprise to destroy the Klingon ship, then take the Enterprise on a high-warp Flying Dutchman out into isolated deep space, and then cause the ship to fail in the middle of nowhere. What would happen when the power and ship's supplies ran out? Humans and Klingons both supposedly need heat, light, gravity, food, water and waste treatment to function properly. Cut those support services off and they "will die in the icy could of space."

If the alien had the apparent ability to seal off decks and force the ship into high warp, etc., then why couldn't it use its energy to make food and water for the crews?
 
If (*) can stop the aging process, it can surely regenerate the ship's supplies.

Then again, the alien can alter people's bodies so they don't even need to eat or sleep, so they don't *need* supplies in the strictest sense...
 
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