I thought this was going to be a thread about the weird rope thing around his dingaling.
David Carradine’s Legacy of Shame
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I honestly don't consider the method of Carradine's death anymore "shameful" than if he'd had a heart-attack while doing his wife. It's sad because it presents the image of a lonely man desperate to please himself turning to a dangerous act for satisfaction. But I see nothing shameful about it. He was in the privacy of his own room, alone and not bothering another soul. It is EMBARRASSING because of his private behaviors becoming public knowledge but that was neither his intent nor his faullt.
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That would have been less contentious.
i'm betting this thread gets locked before long.
So, because whites make up a majority of the population, they get to be the leads in almost everything produced? The Caucasian hold on the majority on this country is rapidly decreasing. In a few decades, when whites are no longer the majority, shall television and film leads suddenly become predominated by Latinos or Asians or whoever is in the racial majority in this country?
Today Hollywood represents the 34% of Americans whom are not white by dishing out supporting roles. Even roles that are allegedly of authority (Tyler Perry in Star Trek, Morgan Freeman in Deep Impact or Bruce Almighty or Evan Almighty, Lawrence Fishburne in The Matrix) end up being subordinate to the principal white protagonists. Roles such as Avery Brooks in Star Trek: Deep Space Nine and Edward James Olmos in Battlestar Galactica are rare.
I should admit, before I get too carried away, that I'm as white as they come. But that shouldn't prevent anyone from taking a look at Hollywood and being able to recognize their racial tendencies. Tendencies that, yes, anger the hell out of me. But carry on.
I disagree that it is about "race" and maintain it is about "money". The entertainment INDUSTRY is worked by artists but it is first and foremost an INDUSTRY. How many seriously LAME comedies do you see? Not funny at all? Do you ever wonder if the people MAKING them thought they were funny of if they thought it was lame too and someone was just hoping someone ELSE would find it funny?
When you have people trying to please OTHER people with their work, it's not art; it's craftsmanship. And when you start second-guessing what OTHERS will enjoy, quality begins to erode. You start using shorthand characters. You slip into using stereotypes; all because you're not being honest with what YOUR perceptions are.
I'm sure thee are some racists but I think the real problem is that in the entertainment business, there are more second-guessing craftsman and fewer first inspiration artists working.
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Yes. It will happen, and exactly because of what Zachary Smith says in his post below.
It has nothing to do with racial tendencies, and everything to do with money.
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And Will Smith is the biggest box office star in the world, playing a wide variety of roles. Morgan Freeman has played a lot of wise man supporting roles, but he's also had lead roles (such as his Alex Cross films). And of course Denzel Washington is a great movie star. There's still a lot of room for improvement in minority representation in Hollywood, but there's also been a lot of progress already made.
and who's the badass everyone loves?
Samuel L muthafuggin Jackson. the dude's a fucking Jedi Master AND runs 2 different secret agency organisations, an LAPD SWAT team and kills snakes on planes.
Samuel L muthafuggin Jackson. the dude's a fucking Jedi Master AND runs 2 different secret agency organisations, an LAPD SWAT team and kills snakes on planes.
Yeah, but you have what Chris Rock pointed out as the "TNIC" problem.
While there are a handful of big name black actors, there are an infinite number of corresponding white actors.
What does TNIC stand for?
There are going to be a lot more white actors because whites make up a far greater percentage of the population than blacks. Blacks are pretty well represented at this point in films. While there are some black leads here and there on television (most notably now on CSI), it's a medium that needs improvement in that area and continues to lag behind feature films. Latino and Asian representation is lagging in both media (although Latinos obviously make up a far greater percentage of the US population than Asians do).
But it's important to acknowledge the advances that have been made and not to ignore or minimize them.
I'll let you look up TNIC on your own I think. 
I guess the thing is, let's not assume everything is fine now because white people aren't pretending to be black anymore and that we're living in a liberal paradise. Things are better, but they are far from perfect.
I guess the thing is, let's not assume everything is fine now because white people aren't pretending to be black anymore and that we're living in a liberal paradise. Things are better, but they are far from perfect.
I don't think anyone believes that or has even said it. Well except maybe if someone put the words in the mouth of others. It's more of, there's been a lot of progress but no one's been saying that it's enough or that it's stopping, despite the implication there's some agenda to keep minorities down.
I Googled it, but nothing helpful came up.I'll let you look up TNIC on your own I think.
Sure, but neither should people stew in negativity and be hypersensitive and hyper-aware of race. There's a happy medium to be found in racial awareness and pushing for diversity. Some overdo it in both directions.
I think part of the definition of "hypersensitivity" is taking ACTORS to task for PRETENDING to be something they are not.
See, it's kinda what actors . . . well . . . do . . .
See, it's kinda what actors . . . well . . . do . . .
I'm just guessing here, but TNIC probably stands for "the ____ in charge," meaning while the black guy is the authority figure or the smartest character, he's not the star.
So is it racism that Cuba Gooding Jr. isn't an A-list superstar because no one paid to go see Boat Trip, Daddy Day Camp and Chill Factor?
So is it racism that Cuba Gooding Jr. isn't an A-list superstar because no one paid to go see Boat Trip, Daddy Day Camp and Chill Factor?
Well, I've taken the defeatist/cynical position nowadays.
The casting of Avatar and Prince of Persia is more based on the fact that American audiences probably aren't willing to watch films without white or black stars... so it's economic reality based on trying to hit a larger audience.
Or the flip side would be, Asians are more willing to watch a film with a white actor than vice versa, so why alienate the largest population group?
Hell, if I was making movies, I'd cast famous white actors too.
It's Chris Rock's assertion that only a few black people are allowed to be "in power" in Hollywood at a time. It's why there are countless big name, huge box office white actors but only a handful (literally) of black actors that can claim the same status.
The casting of Avatar and Prince of Persia is more based on the fact that American audiences probably aren't willing to watch films without white or black stars... so it's economic reality based on trying to hit a larger audience.
Or the flip side would be, Asians are more willing to watch a film with a white actor than vice versa, so why alienate the largest population group?
Hell, if I was making movies, I'd cast famous white actors too.
It's Chris Rock's assertion that only a few black people are allowed to be "in power" in Hollywood at a time. It's why there are countless big name, huge box office white actors but only a handful (literally) of black actors that can claim the same status.
I don't think there are a lot of huge stars who are truly bankable of any color. It's a select group.
Another point to bear in mind is that it isn't just the attitudes of whites in the US that influences the economics of racial casting. While films with major white stars tend to play well across the globe, there are international territories where films with, for example, black leads make far less money compared to their domestic box office (and we're not talking about majority white countries here either). That's starting to change, too, and one of the important ways in which Will Smith has been a box office trailblazer is that he's a huge star internationally as well as domestically.
Another point to bear in mind is that it isn't just the attitudes of whites in the US that influences the economics of racial casting. While films with major white stars tend to play well across the globe, there are international territories where films with, for example, black leads make far less money compared to their domestic box office (and we're not talking about majority white countries here either). That's starting to change, too, and one of the important ways in which Will Smith has been a box office trailblazer is that he's a huge star internationally as well as domestically.
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It's not Hollywood's fault that Wesley Snipes flushed all his movie cred down the toilet with stupid action movies, or on a smaller scale Cuba Gooding Jr. with all those stupid comedies or melodramas where he makes that same annoying face.
But on the other hand you look at Morgan Freeman, who despite his age seems to be getting more roles than ever.
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