I was including the various TV shows in that. Plus we don't know the fate of the stand-alones such as the Boba Fett and Obi-Wan films.
News David Benioff and D.B. Weiss doing Star Wars
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Ugh.
I like Star Wars films... two a year won't hurt my feelings.
This year we are getting three Marvel films this year and three next year. That's cool.
Bring it on.
This year we are getting three Marvel films this year and three next year. That's cool.
Bring it on.
I don't think so.... and you don't make spin-offs for the "average" viewer.
*shrugs*
Then the movies won't make Star Wars money. I'm already concerned about the path of this franchise being brought to the point where its being diluted by a film a year. Star Wars movies used to be a special event. Now, another year? Another Star Wars film. Suggesting that you don't make spin-offs for the average viewer? Well, then you're risking diluting the franchise even further. And confusing the general audience in the process.
They are ABSOLUTELY making the spinoffs for the average viewer. They are making spinoffs to make money not to make the uber fan happy. You don't make 100s of millions of dollars by making movies for just a select audience... (I'm looking at you Blade Runner 2049.)
Disney is not in the business to make movies for a segment of a potential audience. They are about large segments of the audience.
I just don't see "over-saturation" as some sort of long-term problem.
By the end of 2019 there will have been 12 Star Wars feature films (that includes the animated Clone Wars film) released since 1977. That's one released every 3.5 years. Total box office receipts of all 12 (not including special edition or re-release)? $8.483 billion
If we change the parameters and count from 1999 (Episode Uno) to 2019 (Episode Nueve) a period of 20 years in which 9 feature films were released, the frequency of release changes to one film released every 2.2 years. Total box office receipts of all 9? $6.986 billion
If we cut to the Disney era - from TFA in 2015 to Episode IX in 2019 there have been 6 films released. That's one film released every eight months. Total box office receipts of all 6? $4.445 billion
Clearly, an increase in frequency of release does not negatively impact receipts. In all fairness, SW's limited appeal to the Chinese marketplace may be the only easily apparent road block to continuing success.
Upcoming film projects include a Rian Johnson helmed trilogy (unknown release date) and the GoT dudes series (very unknown, with details not forthcoming until 2019 or later) - along with rumored one-off films like the Kenobi film, Boba Fett film, and a TV series on Disney's streaming service. We can think of those as "Phase II" but there is no indication that these films will "flood" the marketplace, and most likely they will remain in a two films or less per year pattern. Disney has been making bank since their acquisition, and they continue to integrate their property into their theme parks and other branded outlets. Disney's over all corporate strategy may make SW products more ubiquitous, but there is no indication that their film release strategy will somehow exhaust the story ideas of the SW universe or make it less appealing (to everyone but the Chinese of course).
Let's compare the SW franchise with the Marvel Cinematic Universe...
Over the past 10 years an astonishing 23(!) MCU films have been released... that's one every five months!
An additional 7 films are set to be released by the end of 2020 - which would make a total of 30 in 12 years - averaging about one every four months for a period of 12(!) years. There have also been 12 or so TV series as well, some cancelled, some ongoing.
The total box office receipts from the MCU films is $13.510 billion dollars. 9 of the top 10 MCU films (as far as box office receipts) have been released in the last 5 years, and 5 of the top 10 have been released in the past 2 years. So "franchise fatigue" has not yet affected the most franchisey of franchises.
It's difficult to see how a franchise like Star Wars, which is arguably more appealing globally than most of the MCU, has a far smaller presence on TV, and has a greater story potential (with the erasure of the Expanded Universe) and more instantly recognizable characters, would suffer from an increased release rate, or more TV series, even if such were to occur.
By the end of 2019 there will have been 12 Star Wars feature films (that includes the animated Clone Wars film) released since 1977. That's one released every 3.5 years. Total box office receipts of all 12 (not including special edition or re-release)? $8.483 billion
If we change the parameters and count from 1999 (Episode Uno) to 2019 (Episode Nueve) a period of 20 years in which 9 feature films were released, the frequency of release changes to one film released every 2.2 years. Total box office receipts of all 9? $6.986 billion
If we cut to the Disney era - from TFA in 2015 to Episode IX in 2019 there have been 6 films released. That's one film released every eight months. Total box office receipts of all 6? $4.445 billion
Clearly, an increase in frequency of release does not negatively impact receipts. In all fairness, SW's limited appeal to the Chinese marketplace may be the only easily apparent road block to continuing success.
Upcoming film projects include a Rian Johnson helmed trilogy (unknown release date) and the GoT dudes series (very unknown, with details not forthcoming until 2019 or later) - along with rumored one-off films like the Kenobi film, Boba Fett film, and a TV series on Disney's streaming service. We can think of those as "Phase II" but there is no indication that these films will "flood" the marketplace, and most likely they will remain in a two films or less per year pattern. Disney has been making bank since their acquisition, and they continue to integrate their property into their theme parks and other branded outlets. Disney's over all corporate strategy may make SW products more ubiquitous, but there is no indication that their film release strategy will somehow exhaust the story ideas of the SW universe or make it less appealing (to everyone but the Chinese of course).
Let's compare the SW franchise with the Marvel Cinematic Universe...
Over the past 10 years an astonishing 23(!) MCU films have been released... that's one every five months!
An additional 7 films are set to be released by the end of 2020 - which would make a total of 30 in 12 years - averaging about one every four months for a period of 12(!) years. There have also been 12 or so TV series as well, some cancelled, some ongoing.
The total box office receipts from the MCU films is $13.510 billion dollars. 9 of the top 10 MCU films (as far as box office receipts) have been released in the last 5 years, and 5 of the top 10 have been released in the past 2 years. So "franchise fatigue" has not yet affected the most franchisey of franchises.
It's difficult to see how a franchise like Star Wars, which is arguably more appealing globally than most of the MCU, has a far smaller presence on TV, and has a greater story potential (with the erasure of the Expanded Universe) and more instantly recognizable characters, would suffer from an increased release rate, or more TV series, even if such were to occur.
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Even if they are going to only make one a year, let's imagine the schedule we're getting here for a moment:
2015 - The Force Awakens
2016 - Rogue One
2017 - The Last Jedi
2018 - Solo
2019 - Episode IX
2020 - Kenobi?
2021 - Johnson Trilogy 1
2022 - B&W Series 1
2023 - Johnson Trilogy 2
2024- B&W Series 2
2025 - Johnson Trilogy 3
That's assuming the B&W series is two, but that's eleven films on the schedule. Not to mention the conclusion of Rebels, other animated and live action Star Wars fare, books and comic books too. I don't want quantity when it comes to my Star Wars films. I want quality. While I enjoyed Force Awakens, I know many whine because its ANH-redux. While I can appreciate Rogue One for what it is, I have huge issues personally with the film. I liked The Last Jedi quite a bit, but people complained about that film too. While Solo could be fun, I am honestly not sold with what I saw in that trailer earlier this week. I don't want a Star Wars film just to have a Star Wars film. I'd rather we have nothing than become the MCU. I'm honestly to the point where I'm about done with seeing all of that series in the theater. Maybe Star Wars will be next on my list. And that will pain me since I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 2.
It comes down to this: Just because we can do a thing doesn't mean we should.
2015 - The Force Awakens
2016 - Rogue One
2017 - The Last Jedi
2018 - Solo
2019 - Episode IX
2020 - Kenobi?
2021 - Johnson Trilogy 1
2022 - B&W Series 1
2023 - Johnson Trilogy 2
2024- B&W Series 2
2025 - Johnson Trilogy 3
That's assuming the B&W series is two, but that's eleven films on the schedule. Not to mention the conclusion of Rebels, other animated and live action Star Wars fare, books and comic books too. I don't want quantity when it comes to my Star Wars films. I want quality. While I enjoyed Force Awakens, I know many whine because its ANH-redux. While I can appreciate Rogue One for what it is, I have huge issues personally with the film. I liked The Last Jedi quite a bit, but people complained about that film too. While Solo could be fun, I am honestly not sold with what I saw in that trailer earlier this week. I don't want a Star Wars film just to have a Star Wars film. I'd rather we have nothing than become the MCU. I'm honestly to the point where I'm about done with seeing all of that series in the theater. Maybe Star Wars will be next on my list. And that will pain me since I've been a Star Wars fan since I was 2.
It comes down to this: Just because we can do a thing doesn't mean we should.
I haven't been disappointing in anything they've done yet, so I'm happy to keep getting as much SW as possible as long as the quality is at least as good as everything we've gotten so far.
Are these and the Rian Johnson trilogy going to be released under the A Star Wars Story title or are these also separate from those? I had assumed these were all considered "standalone" movies since they weren't part of the main saga. I know that technically since they're part series they aren't standalone, but I had just assumed that was just a way to refer to anything that wasn't part of the main Skywalker saga.
Are these and the Rian Johnson trilogy going to be released under the A Star Wars Story title or are these also separate from those? I had assumed these were all considered "standalone" movies since they weren't part of the main saga. I know that technically since they're part series they aren't standalone, but I had just assumed that was just a way to refer to anything that wasn't part of the main Skywalker saga.
*Narrator’s voice: three days later he saw Benioff in the gym. He continued to leave him alone.
I'm interested to see where this arc is going. I think it shows promise.
Me too. My long-term game plan has always been to leave him alone, wait till he feels at home, befriend him and extract secrets from him.
*Narrator’s voice: there was no long-term game plan. He was too chicken to speak to Benioff. By the time Benioff was working on the Star Wars film, GOT would have concluded and he would have left Belfast.
Since Star Wars has never had this type of expansion I'm excited. It might fail and it might succeed. At least Disney is willing to take a risk rather than play it safe.
I don't know. It feels like they are playing it awfully safe with the choice of projects. A Han Solo Movie? A Movie that is basically a run up to Star Wars? Can't say that's really outside of the box.
Now, an Old Republic movie or something that doesn't involve an established on screen character, that would be a risk.
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