Dating the Eugenics Wars

[BillJ]

1996 according to canon VOY Future's End episode set in 1996 Earth has no Khan, no World War and no S.S. Botany Bay. Voyager was in orbit and never encountered anything.

Don't be so sure... Rain Robinson has a model of a DY-500 on her desk at the observatory.

Excellent note, so is the SS Botany Bay in only the design stages(model) in 1996 VOY "Future's End", then the Eugenics Wars has not happened yet?

Since Space Seed dates the Eugenics War from 1992-1996, it's possible the DY-500 was a popular model among hobbyists since its' represents one of humanities earliest intra-planetary vessels.

It's also possible that the Eugenics War had little impact on the North American continent and that it was primarily fought in Eurasia.

We just don't know enough and one of the only things we have that's concrete is the 1992-1996 date.

 

[Galileo7]

Don't be so sure... Rain Robinson has a model of a DY-500 on her desk at the observatory.

Excellent note, so is the SS Botany Bay in only the design stages(model) in 1996 VOY "Future's End", then the Eugenics Wars has not happened yet?

Since Space Seed dates the Eugenics War from 1992-1996, it's possible the DY-500 was a popular model among hobbyists since its' represents one of humanities earliest intra-planetary vessels.

It's also possible that the Eugenics War had little impact on the North American continent and that it was primarily fought in Eurasia.

We just don't know enough and one of the only things we have that's concert is the 1992-1996 date.

I am wondering if there were lines written in the VOY Future's End script that would have mentioned the Eugenics Wars, Khan and Botany Bay's encounter with Kirk, but were never filmed?

 

[BillJ]

I am wondering if there were lines written in the VOY Future's End script that would have mentioned the Eugenics Wars, Khan and Botany Bay's encounter with Kirk, but were never filmed?

I honestly doubt it. That wasn't the story they were trying to tell.

If I remember correctly, weren't they in an alternate 1996 created by Braxton's crash in the 1960's?

 

[Galileo7]

I am wondering if there were lines written in the VOY Future's End script that would have mentioned the Eugenics Wars, Khan and Botany Bay's encounter with Kirk, but were never filmed?

I honestly doubt it. That wasn't the story they were trying to tell.

I know, but in TOS "Assignment Earth" when they returned to past Earth, Spock would always give an analysis of what was happening.
In VOY "Q2" Q confirm Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270.

 

[BillJ]

In VOY "Q2" Q confirm Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270.

Actually, it was Icheb doing a school report.

 

[Galileo7]

In VOY "Q2" Q confirm Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270.

Actually, it was Icheb doing a school report.

Right.

 

[Brandonv]

I'm not in favor of changing the date. I don't see any reason to try to make the Trek universe our universe. No matter how far you kick the can down the road, we will always catch up to the date.

Just the fact that the Star Trek franchise exists means that the Trek universe is not our future. Unless the people in the Trek universe have never noticed a old TV show that predicts everything that happened (Now there's an idea for an episode, or would it cause an infinite recursion error? ). And happens to have actors who look exactly like them.

 

[Galileo7]

I'm not in favor of changing the date. I don't see any reason to try to make the Trek universe our universe. No matter how far you kick the can down the road, we will always catch up to the date.

Just the fact that the Star Trek franchise exists means that the Trek universe is not our future. Unless the people in the Trek universe have never noticed a old TV show that predicts everything that happened (Now there's an idea for an episode, or would it cause an infinite recursion error? ). And happens to have actors who look exactly like them.

1996 Earth of VOY "Future's End" writers could have done us all a canon service by stating the facts of TOS "Space Seed" again.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I'm not in favor of changing the date. I don't see any reason to try to make the Trek universe our universe. No matter how far you kick the can down the road, we will always catch up to the date.

Just the fact that the Star Trek franchise exists means that the Trek universe is not our future. Unless the people in the Trek universe have never noticed a old TV show that predicts everything that happened (Now there's an idea for an episode, or would it cause an infinite recursion error? ). And happens to have actors who look exactly like them.

1996 Earth of VOY "Future's End" writers could have done us all a canon service by stating the facts of TOS "Space Seed" again.

Why? How would it serve the plot?

 

[Myasishchev]

Moving the EW into the future avoids insensitive interpretations like Augments operating in secret and becoming the driving force behind real-world horrors like genocide in the Balkans. I'm sure little Ruhan really appreciates that the mass grave full of quicklime that him and his family have been dumped in is being used as the backdrop for the rationalization of a continuity issue in Star Trek.

It's like if there were an issue of Spider-Man where it's revealed the September 11th attacks were carried out by Skrulls. I dunno, JMS might have, in fact, written that.

(It also avoids the idea that people in the 1960s who have scarcely realized that the genome exists, have access to Reed Richards-level superscience that permitted them to manipulate it without creating an army of spontaneous abortions.)

 

[Galileo7]

I'm not in favor of changing the date. I don't see any reason to try to make the Trek universe our universe. No matter how far you kick the can down the road, we will always catch up to the date.

Just the fact that the Star Trek franchise exists means that the Trek universe is not our future. Unless the people in the Trek universe have never noticed a old TV show that predicts everything that happened (Now there's an idea for an episode, or would it cause an infinite recursion error? ). And happens to have actors who look exactly like them.

1996 Earth of VOY "Future's End" writers could have done us all a canon service by stating the facts of TOS "Space Seed" again.

Why? How would it serve the plot?

Plot aside, they are on Earth in 1996 and that is what is suppose to be happening according to TOS "Space Seed".
In VOY"Q2" it did not serve the plot, yet it was stated that Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270. It would have served the canon of Star Trek timeline.

 

[Nerys Myk]

1996 Earth of VOY "Future's End" writers could have done us all a canon service by stating the facts of TOS "Space Seed" again.

Why? How would it serve the plot?

Plot aside, they are on Earth in 1996 and that is what is suppose to be happening according to TOS "Space Seed".
In VOY"Q2" it did not serve the plot, yet it was stated that Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270. It would have served the canon of Star Trek timeline.

I dont recall the context of the statement from "Q2". So I can't comment on how it served the plot.

"Canon" is just the collected episodes and movies. It has nothing to so with the "timeline". What your talking about is "continuity" which is the consistancy between the various episodes and movies. The whole point of these types of episodes is to see our heroes interact and react to our world. ( plus its cheaper) You'll note that episodes like "Assignment Earth", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Carpenter Street" and "Future's End" take place more or less in the times the episodes were filmed. Having them take place in some alternate "present" is expositionally awkward and defeats the purpose of such episodes.

 

[Galileo7]

Why? How would it serve the plot?

Plot aside, they are on Earth in 1996 and that is what is suppose to be happening according to TOS "Space Seed".
In VOY"Q2" it did not serve the plot, yet it was stated that Kirk finished the five year mission in 2270. It would have served the canon of Star Trek timeline.

I dont recall the context of the statement from "Q2". So I can't comment on how it served the plot.

"Canon" is just the collected episodes and movies. It has nothing to so with the "timeline". What your talking about is "continuity" which is the consistancy between the various episodes and movies. The whole point of these types of episodes is to see our heroes interact and react to our world. ( plus its cheaper) You'll note that episodes like "Assignment Earth", "Tomorrow is Yesterday", "Carpenter Street" and "Future's End" take place more or less in the times the episodes were filmed. Having them take place in some alternate "present" is expositionally awkward and defeats the purpose of such episodes.

I know what you are saying but in VOY "Q2" it had nothing to do with the story, but the mere statement of Kirk's five year mission ending in 2270 became canon. The Voyager crew would have reviewed Earth 1996 history. The writers of "Future's End" could have mentioned the Eugenics Wars, Khan and Botany Bay in passing in a line.

 

[Nerys Myk]

I think the model of the DY-100 class ship was their passing reference.

 

[Galileo7]

I think the model of the DY-100 class ship was their passing reference.

I think that you are correct. I guess I was hoping for more from this two part VOY "Future's End" when it originally aired. I really thought that they were going to mention the Eugenics War, Khan and Kirk's encounter with the Botany Bay.

 

[T'Girl]

1996 according to canon VOY Future's End episode set in 1996 Earth has no Khan, no World War and no S.S. Botany Bay. Voyager was in orbit and never encountered anything.

Don't be so sure... Rain Robinson has a model of a DY-500 on her desk at the observatory.

Is it that hard to believe that there could be a major war ongoing in the world and it wouldn't impact the average citizen in Los Angeles? From 1998 through 2003 there was a major war in Africa that killed five and a half million people, most American never even heard of it.

 

[EJA]

Here's something I've only just thought of: What happened to the Augments creators? They wouldn't have just let their offspring launch violent coups and start attacking everyone around them, including their own kind. A lot of people tend to assume the Wars took place mainly in Third World countries, but then we have to ask ourselves why these scientists would allow their Augments to grow up in such poor, violent areas where they'd be exposed to injustice and brutality in the first place!

I have thought that perhaps the Augments killed their creators when they were still youths in their care, but if that were the case then I don't think Arik Soong would've wanted to try raising kid Augments himself. And once they'd destroyed their parents, were would all those kids go? How would they survive?

 

[T'Girl]

They wouldn't have just let their offspring ...

I figure the scientists were something like the law firm/lawyers in Robert Heinlein's Howard Family, who used cash rewards to encourage Americans with natural longevity to marry and produce children (selective breeding) in order to increase the human life span.

The infant/children/adult supermen weren't necessarily raise in a laboratory, or on a farm somewhere. The only times they actual needed to interact with the scientists who were running the program was when it came time to produce children. This is assuming that Spock was correct that the creation of the supermen was accomplished through selective breeding. The scientists would survey populations all over the world, likely in population centers, They would then (maybe with money, maybe otherwise) encourage people who met their criteria to marry (or not) and produce children. Years later these now adults would also be encouraged to select a spouse from within a selected group. The scientists wouldn't raise the children themselves.

to grow up in such poor, violent areas

Eugenics societies in America, Britain and Germany in the nineteeth and twentieth centuries usual associated poor people and violent people with people of low intelligence, so regardless of where in the world the scientist were operating, people who were living in poverty or part of a violent segment of their society would not have been brought into the program.

they'd be exposed to injustice and brutality

By extension, eugenics societies associated both the middle class and especially the wealthy class with intelligence, if the scientists were recruiting candidates from among these groups, the resulting children would be unlikely to be raise by their parents in a local slum.


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[MichaelJCO]

Heres one that honors the TOS and ENT canon

The Eugenics Wars-A Brief History

April 30th 1991-A young charismatic man named Khan Noonien Singh is
elected to India's parliment.

September 7,1992-This is the date that has come to be accepted as the
day the Eugenics Wars began.China ,under the leadership of a eugenic
superman Chairman Hikaru Minsei,attacked Taiwan with the stated goal
of bringing order and evoultion to its most important "lost" province.

April 20,1993- On this day 41 African,Asian and Middle Eastern nations
lead by the young eugenic supermen formed the Great Khanate of Nations
with Khan Noonien Singh of India as the titular leader.The experience
of the people of these nations varied wildly from the essentially
peaceful rule of Khan in India to the food rationing and forced
selective breeding in Minsei's China to outright genocidal killings in
General Muhammad Hasan's Iran.

September 28,1993 The Great Khanate attacks Australia and New Zealand
with the stated goal of" bringing genetic order to the West".Great
Britian,South Africa and Japan declare war on the Great Khanate the
following day.

May 4 ,1994 Shocked by the surrender of Australia and New Zealand the
previous day France , Germany and Italy declare war on the Great
Khanate.

June 1 ,1994 President Bill Clinton reaffirms American neutrality in
the widening war but declares that the United States will help supply
the anti-Khanate alliance.

June 22,1994 San Diego, California-USA,Tel Aviv,Israel and Seoul,
South Korea are hit by nuclear weapons as the Great Khanate declares
war on those 3 nations.Those 3 nations and several others (including
Canada and Mexico) follow suit the next day.

May 14-15,1995 The Battle of the Sea of Japan is fought.This battle is
acknowledged as the turning point of the Eugenics Wars as the
resulting allied victory fractures the Great Khanate into waring blocs
of nations.The American aircraft carrrier U.S.S Enterprise-CVN 65 is
destroyed in this battle.

October 1 ,1996 The Eugenics Wars end as Khan and his cadre of eugenic
supermen are presumed killed in the battle to liberate
Sydney,Australia- where they had held out in a last stand.Chairman
Minsei signed an unconditional surrender document in Beijing, China.

September 27,1997 Chairman Minsei,General Hasan and 59 other surviving
eugenic supermen are put on trial at the International Military
Tribunal in Paris ,France.This is the 1st such trial since the
1945-1948 trials of German and Japansese WWII leaders.Minsei,Hasan and
the rest were convicted and executed for crimes against humanity and
peace the following year.

August 11,1999 Historian and author Travis Mitchell claims in his
seminal work- The Eugenics War that there is next to no evidence that
Khan Singh and his clique of eugenic supermen were killed in the
liberation of Sydney on October 1,1996.Mitchell puts forth the widely
unaccepted theory that Khan and his people escaped death and
punishment on a DY-100 vessel launched from a samll Indonesian island
that same day.


GK-slang for a memeber of the Great Khanate alliance or army.

normal-a slur used by the eugenic supermen for non-enginerred humans.


Below are the 2 major alliances during the Eugenics Wars of 1992-1996 **** Can someone do a map ?*****


The Great Khanate of Nations 1993-1996

Afghanistan
Algeria
Armenia
Azerbaijan
Bahrain
Bangladesh
Bhutan
Burundi
Brunei
Cambodia
Chad
China
Cameroon
Congo
Egypt
Eritrea
Gabon
India
Indonesia
Iran
Iraq
Jordan
North Korea
Kuwait
Laos
Lebanon
Libya
Malaysia
Mali
Mongolia
Morocco
Myanmar
Nepal
Niger
Oman
Pakistan
Qatar
Rwanda
Saudi Arabia
Somalia
Sri Lanka
Syria
Tajkistan
Thailand
Tunisia
Turkmenistan
Uganda
United Arab Emirates
Uzbekistan
Vietnam
Yemen

The Democratic Alliance 1993-1996

Australia
Angola
Belgium
Brazil
Canada
Democratic Republic of Congo
Denmark
Djibouti
Ethiopia
France
Germany
Ireland
Israel
Italy
Jamaica
Japan
Kenya
South Korea
Liberia
Mauritana
Mexico
Netherlands
New Zealand
Nigeria
Philippines
Russia
Senegal
Singapore
South Africa
Taiwan
Tanzania
Turkey
United Kingdom
United States of America
Venezuela
Zambia


Li Quan (General) 1961-1995

When one thinks of the Eugenics War the name Khan Singh usually
springs to mind.Its becoming more evident that the "power behind the
throne" in the Great Khanate was General Li Quan.Li Quan was first
noticed as the brilliant eugenic Chinese general who lead the
campaign against Taiwan in September-October 1992 at Chairman Minseis
behest.Once the command structure of the Khanate was established in
1993 Li Quan quickly became the leading general.Quan argued
forcefully for an "East then West " military strategy for the
Khanate.The nations conquered first would be South Korea,Japan,the
Philippines,Singapore.Once the Khanate had firmly controlled East
Asia it could then move West striking out at
Australia,Turkey,Israel ,South Africa and eventually Russia, Europe
and the United States.Quan was overruled by Khan Singh who was eager
to bring the "order of the Khanate" to the West.Quan was against the
campaign but he lead the invasion of Australia with vigor.Despite the
huge loss of manpower and resources the Khanate captured the Pacific
superpower in only 7 months.After Australia and New Zealand's
surrender in May 1994 Quan clamored for a focus on South Korea and
Japan but was again overruled by Khan Singh and General Muhammad
Hasan of Iran who both wanted a worldwide front.Quan cringed at the
decision to attack the United States and Israel along with South
Korea in June 1994.He privately said "Khan Singh is determined that
we will win the world,even if were are defeated doing so".Quan threw
himself into the South Korea campaign and that nation was conquered
in less than 3 months.Quan's hoped for invasion of Japan was again
held up when General Hasan fumbled the invasion of Turkey in October
1994.The Great Khanate had to divert nearly half its army to Syria
and Iraq to prevent a total catastrophe.Li Quan always displayed a
balance of thoughtfulness and ruthlessness.He successfully argued
against General Hasans desire for an all out nuclear exchange with
Israel after it nuked Tehran in retaliation for Tel Aviv noting"Once
we conquer the world we will still have to live in it".However his
campaign in South Korea was brutal and civilian causalities were
high.Li Quan had always argued that the Khanate was overextending
itself but the arrogance of Khan Singh,Hasan and others on the
command staff didnt allow them to believe that their superior lot
could ever be defeated by a pack of weakling normals.It's ironic that
Quan ultimately lost his life in the fight he had longed for the
whole time he lead the Khanate forces-the Battle of the Sea of
Japan.That defeat did more that save Japan from invasion but
fractured the Khanate into several warring camps who either wanted to
stop the expansion and consolidate their current holdings or continue
to expand.This infighting created a valuable opening for the
Democratic Alliance and the Khanate was destroyed a year and a half
after that pivotal battle.What if Khan Singh had swallowed his
enormous pride and listened to the sound military advice of General
Li Quan?Scary thought but it would make a good book.

Travis Mitchell
The History Journal
April 10,2000

 

[MichaelJCO]

No, they definitely happened in the late 20th century X

Make that 14 btw!