Data's "death"

[AgentCoop]

Every time Data plugged a fiber optic cable to his head to run a diagnostic, interface with the Borg or download a .dat file to B4 it was reinforced he was a machine.

He spent 7 seasons repeating like an automaton he wanted to develop emotions. Well, he didn't develop any: eventually a chip was installed and boing! emotions.

And, plausibly, he can be restored in B4's hardware. That plausibility is a point.

So does the fact that they were able to simply plug Spock's mind into a new body mean that Spock is a machine?

To my mind, Data is a sentient being. That makes it irrelevant to me whether his body is made up of living tissue or wires and circuits. Therefore, Data wasn't "destroyed". Data died.

 

[Ithekro]

I was under the impression, in Star Trek III, that is was Spock's body, with his soul removed. That the placement of his soul into his own body did not invalidate his body as it was on Genesis. He was still the same person, and quite possibly has the memories of being on Genesis. At that point it gets more metaphysical than anything else.

What is a body without its soul? To a Vulcan?

 

[Shat Happens]

I was under the impression, in Star Trek III, that is was Spock's body, with his soul removed. That the placement of his soul into his own body did not invalidate his body as it was on Genesis. He was still the same person, and quite possibly has the memories of being on Genesis.

That. In the androids's case, Data's data supposedly would overwrite B4's data.

Data: Interesting. I had not considerate that, and captain Picard has been my role model in my quest to be more human.

Spock: More human?

Data: Yes, Ambassador.

Spock: Fascinating. You have an efficient intellect, superior physical skills, no emotional impediments. There are Vulcans who aspire all their lives to achieve what you've been given by design.

There. Data was designed. Spock himself said so.

 

[AgentCoop]

I was under the impression, in Star Trek III, that is was Spock's body, with his soul removed. That the placement of his soul into his own body did not invalidate his body as it was on Genesis. He was still the same person, and quite possibly has the memories of being on Genesis.

That. In the androids's case, Data's data supposedly would overwrite B4's data.

Data: Interesting. I had not considerate that, and captain Picard has been my role model in my quest to be more human.

Spock: More human?

Data: Yes, Ambassador.

Spock: Fascinating. You have an efficient intellect, superior physical skills, no emotional impediments. There are Vulcans who aspire all their lives to achieve what you've been given by design.

There. Data was designed. Spock himself said so.

I don't see how that proves anything.

 

[Aragorn]

It's complicated.

Data transferred his memory banks to B4, basically a blank slate. It could be argued that Data's essence, or soul, was transferred. If that essence later emerged in B4, then only Data's body died.

We saw the beginnings of that emergence in NEM.

Data is dead, but a new android will have his memories. Even if he thinks he's Data, that Data everyone knew before is dead.

That's my complaint about cloning movies acting like it's immortality. There may be another you running around, but you yourself are still dead.

 

[2takesfrakes]

BUT.................
if there were to be another sequel, at least it would give Brent Spiner something new to do, wearing all of that make-up. Being able to reinvent himself, as it were, would at least make his job more interesting. That would've only helped his performance(s), no doubts, there ...

 

[Shat Happens]

BUT.................
if there were to be another sequel, at least it would give Brent Spiner something new to do, wearing all of that make-up. Being able to reinvent himself, as it were, would at least make his job more interesting. That would've only helped his performance(s), no doubts, there ...

Enterprise Soong, anyone?

 

[Grendelsbayne]

I was under the impression, in Star Trek III, that is was Spock's body, with his soul removed. That the placement of his soul into his own body did not invalidate his body as it was on Genesis. He was still the same person, and quite possibly has the memories of being on Genesis.

That. In the androids's case, Data's data supposedly would overwrite B4's data.

Data: Interesting. I had not considerate that, and captain Picard has been my role model in my quest to be more human.

Spock: More human?

Data: Yes, Ambassador.

Spock: Fascinating. You have an efficient intellect, superior physical skills, no emotional impediments. There are Vulcans who aspire all their lives to achieve what you've been given by design.

There. Data was designed. Spock himself said so.

Dr. Bashir was designed, too...