I can't beleive you guys haven't brought up when Data went Berserk and tore that Borg drone apart with his bare hands.
STOP IT!
Due to being influenced by Lore and the emotion chip.
Datas Angry...Before the emotion chip
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Due to being influenced by Lore and the emotion chip.
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got me there, I had honestly forgotten that was the motivation.
I mainly remmber for the really funny holodeck scene where Data tries to recreate his anger.
got me there, I had honestly forgotten that was the motivation.
I mainly remmber for the really funny holodeck scene where Data tries to recreate his anger.
To answer this we have to ask if Data would be able to live through the most extremes situation and not even "blink" or care if he decides to do so.
Or if he couldn't help himself to react in SOME way.
Or if he couldn't help himself to react in SOME way.
In that borg episode he was hit with some kind of beam, if i remember correctly and that effected him...so im not sure it was Data having emotions....
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i do agree with u data did seem to catch a temper with his first officer back talkng him
^ Yes, but part of the issue here is whether or not Data had an accurate perception of his own emotions or lack thereof. He had been told, from the very beginning, that he did not posses emotions. Therefore, he was preconditioned to assume that anything he experienced was something other than an emotion. He would, therefore, look for other explanations for his behavior, even if an emotional response was the true cause.
At first, I thought Data couldn't feel emotions because that was as far as android technology could go - Data was sentient, intelligent, but Dr. Soong never discovered how to implement emotion inside him.
Then later we learn Soong did had the ability but just left it out.
But it seems like the show wanted to strongly establish that Data couldn't feel or generate emotions on his own.
For example it was established in "Data's Day", that Counselor Troi couldn't sense any emotion from Data.
Yet in "The Offspring" it was established that Troi could sense actual emotion from Lal.
I think if Data actually felt or generated emotion, Troi would have sensed it.
What's ironic is that Data seemed emotionless the whole time in Redemption.
When Commander Hobson asked for a transfer and practically insulted Data - Data simply says, "I understand your concerns. Request denied".
Or when Commander Hobson took the weapons offline without getting Data's permission. Granted, he did it for a good reason
But when Data finds out, he informs Hobson how inappropriate it was, so he (sarcastically) orders the weapons online again, and asks Data what were his orders.
Data simply and blankly (and professionally) tells him to take the weapons offline and resume what they were doing! lol
It was parts like that, that I liked about Data, it made him an intriguing character.
Then later we learn Soong did had the ability but just left it out.
But it seems like the show wanted to strongly establish that Data couldn't feel or generate emotions on his own.
For example it was established in "Data's Day", that Counselor Troi couldn't sense any emotion from Data.
Yet in "The Offspring" it was established that Troi could sense actual emotion from Lal.
I think if Data actually felt or generated emotion, Troi would have sensed it.
What's ironic is that Data seemed emotionless the whole time in Redemption.
When Commander Hobson asked for a transfer and practically insulted Data - Data simply says, "I understand your concerns. Request denied".
Or when Commander Hobson took the weapons offline without getting Data's permission. Granted, he did it for a good reason
But when Data finds out, he informs Hobson how inappropriate it was, so he (sarcastically) orders the weapons online again, and asks Data what were his orders.
Data simply and blankly (and professionally) tells him to take the weapons offline and resume what they were doing! lol
It was parts like that, that I liked about Data, it made him an intriguing character.
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^ and then later he was almost telling him that if he didnt follow his orders he would be relieved of duty, and yes I could see him trying to mimic a captain, like picard, but as I have seen picard raise his voice and be stern, Data was yelling and almost spitting. I see all the different points and I agree that it is logical that he was mimicing emotions and not actually having them, but I also have to agree that maybe he is the tin man from the wizard of oz, hes had a heart the whole time and didnt really know it......
That's the part that everyone is debating- whether Data felt anger when he did that.
I think it's most likely Data didn't feel anger - I think he could have got his reaction from either 3 sources;
His command training, a program he designed for command situations, or his mimicking of a superior officer, based on his understanding of human behavior.
I'm sure Starfleet trains its officers to be stern when faced with that type of behavior.
It's ironic, but Data could have been so good at 'mimicking' a stern angry officer, it fooled everyone.
I mean, right after the incident, he seems returns to his calm balanced self.
One of the things I like about this, is you never knew with Data - I always wonder what he was thinking when he seemed to step forward to do something to Armus like he did.
Or those little reactions he had, yet he swore, he felt nothing...
I think it's most likely Data didn't feel anger - I think he could have got his reaction from either 3 sources;
His command training, a program he designed for command situations, or his mimicking of a superior officer, based on his understanding of human behavior.
I'm sure Starfleet trains its officers to be stern when faced with that type of behavior.
It's ironic, but Data could have been so good at 'mimicking' a stern angry officer, it fooled everyone.
I mean, right after the incident, he seems returns to his calm balanced self.
One of the things I like about this, is you never knew with Data - I always wonder what he was thinking when he seemed to step forward to do something to Armus like he did.
Or those little reactions he had, yet he swore, he felt nothing...
Indeed.... I'm sure he's fully aware that humans in a command structure tend to take orders more seriously if you give them very little tolerance...... that humans do react to "emotional" responses, and if he could simulate a laugh, I'm sure he can simulate a stern voice.
Remember that after everything was all said and done, he went back to the officer and calmly asked him to de-flod the radiated decks, tend to any injured and start repairs as if it was all in a days work and he did what he was told.
If he had any emotions involved, perhaps he would have bitch slapped him and tear a strip off him in front of everybody.
I would have.
Ha ha.... now that would have been funny, but I don't think he was responding that much. He lowered his brow, he looked right at him and told him to follow orders in a stern voice.
Then again, I sometimes use a similar stern voice in certain situations and people can sometimes think I was pissed or really angry. I wasn't angry, I just didn't want to debate and argue over something anymore and I needed a job done now, not after everybody get's their say in a little pow wow when my decision was the final one anyways.
But then how does one explain his changes after he decided to install the emotion chip? If he always had emotions, then there wouldn't have been any change when he installed it.
See Generations when he started to freak out and couldn't contain his jokes and antics...... or in First Contact when he could turn it off while hunting borg..... or when the Queen turned it back on and he started getting scared when seconds earlier he was cool as a cat.
One can explain it very easily: the emotion chip gives Data the physical reactions that humans have when they are feeling short-term emotions such as anger, fear, joy, etc. - the equivalent of a hormonal reaction in a human(oid), such as a rush of adrenaline. This is something that he normally does not experience, and it makes him feel these emotions in a strong way that he is unprepared for. It doesn't have any bearing on Data's ability to experience long-term emotions such as love, friendship, loyalty, loss, desire for freedom, even empathy. Data can also feel short-term emotions on some level - be pleased, annoyed, angry, hurt (see: "Skin of Evil", "The Most Toys", "Legacy"...) but as he feels them only on the mental level, not on the physical level, he finds them easier to control and doesn't have the impression that they're proper human emotions.
No, I think he simulated emotion because he knew that humans respond to a sharp tone of voice.
Took the words right out of my mouth(keyboard). This is why I always read a thread through before posting.
And something else that's interesting, are the thoughts he has that seem close to emotion- like being able to miss someone.
That always seemed strange, though Data explained it rationally.
After being repeatedly exposed to a person's 'input', he begins to anticipate seeing them, and eventually misses it when absent.
And yet he at the same time he had no emotion, which seemed odd.
That always seemed strange, though Data explained it rationally.
After being repeatedly exposed to a person's 'input', he begins to anticipate seeing them, and eventually misses it when absent.
And yet he at the same time he had no emotion, which seemed odd.
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