Data will get his wish?

[Takeru]

But that is kind of what the show is about. Characters trying to overcome past mistakes and past trauma, especially Picard and his trauma is partly connected to Data dying.

And that's exactly why Data shouldn't come back because it's not a realistic way to deal with trauma and loss, you can't undo death.

 

[The Wormhole]

But that is kind of what the show is about. Characters trying to overcome past mistakes and past trauma, especially Picard and his trauma is partly connected to Data dying.


Jason

Then Picard should try to come to terms with the reality of Data's death in a manner which does not involve Data being resurrected. I am really sick of the trope in fiction where people can not deal with a loved one's death at all and stay depressed until said loved one is resurrected. Just what the hell kind of message is that supposed to send? In the real world, when a loved one dies, they stay dead and there is no magical resurrection. How about we have fiction that teaches people how to accept someone's death and move on from it? Instead of watching people get over the death of a loved one in a manner which is simply not available to people in the real world.

 

[Jayson1]

Well I agree but to me their is a difference between bringing him back for one final goodbye and a complete resurrection. One feels like cheating death and the other is more about bringing closure to a character. Especially if the character went out in a bad fashion. Data dying offscreen in maybe the worst Trek movie is not exactly the best of deaths. But Data playing one final game of poker with Picard before he dies and meeting his daughter and realizing part of him will continue once he is gone is a pretty nice way to properly end the character.


Jason

 

[Danja]

And that's exactly why Data shouldn't come back because it's not a realistic way to deal with trauma and loss, you can't undo death.

Brent Spiner agreed to come back on the condition that Data not be resurrected.

 

[Yistaan]

Data rejecting humanity and going with who? Zhat Vash? The Borg? Romulans? Synths?

Neither. He'll just stay an android who can turn off his emotions whenever he wants.

 

[SoM]

The problem is that damn line about all Data's memories being recoverable from a single neuron. THAT was "fan-fictiony" in the worst way, and basically makes it so that they SHOULD be able to resurrect him - and if they don't, it becomes an "if not, why not?"

 

[Yistaan]

I'm beginning to think that Data being a "magical" android no one can duplicate is not just unbelievable, it's also hurting the story. It also kills the impact of shutting down all synths, because they were already dull automatons that were nowhere near Data's "personhood" status.

Imagine how much more impactful it would be if, after Nemesis, Maddox was indeed able to make other Datas, complexity and all, and those androids would be begging not to be shut off just because a group of them went bad. The story would be much more horrifying.

 

[Jayson1]

The problem is that damn line about all Data's memories being recoverable from a single neuron. THAT was "fan-fictiony" in the worst way, and basically makes it so that they SHOULD be able to resurrect him - and if they don't, it becomes an "if not, why not?"

I agree. It feels like they are trying to downplay just how much machine he was. I am guessing they think he might be seen as to analog to a modern audience and not a modern enough type of robot. I mean Data had things like circuits and servo's and a bunch of blinky lights in his head. He didn't have memories coded in organic DNA or anything like that.

Jason

 

[The Old Mixer]

gave his life for his captain and friend (which was an incredibly

derivative

final act)

 

[Kilana2]

Data will get his wish - this is how he will look like.....

 

[Crewman6]

I think this is all about Data's legacy...not about literally resurrecting him.

Let's hope so. A resurrection would be a terrible disservice to the character and just really crappy, cliched storytelling.

A far better approach would be honoring the "legacy", as you say. Whether it's ensuring a new race of androids, all derived from Data/Soon, will be born or even just the recovery of memories.

But Data being actually resurrected in ANY form (original, nuSynth or otherwise) would be an awful move.

derivative

While true, let's not start undoing character deaths. That's equally derivative (especially for Trek!) and, at its worst, you end up with pure crap like Rise of Skywalker.

 

[Yistaan]

One thing occurred to me. Why didn't Maddox go back in time to San Francisco, pick up Data's head, study it, then return it back to San Francisco at the same location and timeframe? It'd concern the Department of Temporal Investigations, but if the head is brought back in the exact same state the timeline won't be altered.

That combined with Lore's body may be enough to have a full readout of a Soong android.

 

[Kor]

It will turn out that Data's consciousness is not in fact lost as they thought at the Daystrom Institute, but is actually hidden away in the depths of Soji's positronic mind, and it starts to manifest and confuse her own personality. One alive, one not. Yet both in pain. So at that point it will be a frantic race against the clock to get Soji to the location of another Soong-type android body that has conveniently shown up out of the blue (skies, smilin' at me ), and transfer Data's positronic essence from Soji to this new body. And since it will be revealed that Vulcans are actually an ancient species of synths as discussed in the other thread, only a Vulcan High Priestess can facilitate this transfer, the like of which has not been done since ages past, and then only in legend.

You heard it here first, folks.

Kor

 

[Phil123]

It will turn out that Data's consciousness is not in fact lost as they thought at the Daystrom Institute, but is actually hidden away in the depths of Soji's positronic mind, and it starts to manifest and confuse her own personality. One alive, one not. Yet both in pain. So at that point it will be a frantic race against the clock to get Soji to the location of another Soong-type android body that has conveniently shown up out of the blue (skies, smilin' at me ), and transfer Data's positronic essence from Soji to this new body. And since it will be revealed that Vulcans are actually an ancient species of synths as discussed in the other thread, only a Vulcan High Priestess can facilitate this transfer, the like of which has not been done since ages past, and then only in legend.

You heard it here first, folks.

Kor

I wouldn't be surprised if you are at least half right. Though you get Vulcans (and Romulans) having babies with other species which would seem odd for a synth

 

[Campe]

I like the character of Data. I think he had a fascinating run. One that absolutely showed him becoming human and making that sacrifice in the end.

Sorry but he needs to stay dead. Any resurrection will cheapen that sacrifice. We live on through our children. Let Data live on in Soji. (But make her a little more interesting. )