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Data Lies? Again? (The Final Line of "The Most Toys")

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Kivas Fajo is among my purest love-to-hate villains in Trek canon. Just a petty, vicious, murderous, greedy little shit, albeit a brilliant and conniving one... which is what makes him such a perfect specimen of villainy. IMO, Trek canon could use more villains like him.

On rewatching "The Most Toys," I've had occasion to wonder why it is that Data's final riposte to him is so satisfying. I think a little bit of it is that we know that Data has learned something from Fajo: how to lie. Just before that scene, Data is in the process of firing a Veron-T disruptor on its owner when he's transported. He tells his colleagues a comforting lie about it: obviously, he was firing it when he was transported, but he declines to admit it.

So, is that final riposte another lie? I kind of think it's a bit of column A and a bit of column B: Data doesn't genuinely care what becomes of Fajo's collection beyond the dictates of his programming, but within his parameters, seeing those dictates fulfilled might qualify as "pleasure" of a kind. BUT he would never admit it to Fajo, hence his protesting to be "only an android" when Fajo questions him. A second lie, to an extent, perhaps?

Just some stray thoughts on rewatching one of my absolute favorite TNG episodes.
 
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I know the intent was that Data tried to kill Fajo and lied about it, but I've never been able to believe that, because the episode failed to sell its premise. The intent was that Data was left with no possible option for restraining Fajo non-lethally and thus attempted to kill him. But I could immediately see a non-lethal option the writers overlooked. Data couldn't get close enough to Fajo to restrain him because of the interference field generated by the box on Fajo's belt. And the disruptor Data had was extremely lethal with no stun setting. But the way the box was positioned on Fajo's belt meant it was sticking a bit out to Fajo's side from Data's POV. So given Data's precise aim, he could have just grazed the force field box with the disruptor beam, knocked out the interference field, and then restrained Fajo with a judo hold or a carotid block or something.

And if I was smart enough to see that option, then surely Data, who's far smarter and more perceptive, would've seen it too. So what I have to believe is that Data was about to do just that, and was genuinely surprised that the disruptor had fired early, or maybe forgot he'd fired due to some interference between the disruptor and the transporter beam. I just can't accept the validity of the intended premise, because of the way that box was positioned. If the director had just spotted that problem and positioned the box on the center of Fajo's belt, say, so that Data didn't have a clear shot, then the premise would've worked as intended. Or if they'd established that shooting the box with the disruptor would've made it explode lethally, or something.

It's always disappointing when a writer tries to force characters into a situation with no way out and then you see an obvious way out that they missed.
 
I know the intent was that Data tried to kill Fajo and lied about it, but I've never been able to believe that, because the episode failed to sell its premise. The intent was that Data was left with no possible option for restraining Fajo non-lethally and thus attempted to kill him. But I could immediately see a non-lethal option the writers overlooked. Data couldn't get close enough to Fajo to restrain him because of the interference field generated by the box on Fajo's belt. And the disruptor Data had was extremely lethal with no stun setting. But the way the box was positioned on Fajo's belt meant it was sticking a bit out to Fajo's side from Data's POV. So given Data's precise aim, he could have just grazed the force field box with the disruptor beam, knocked out the interference field, and then restrained Fajo with a judo hold or a carotid block or something.

And if I was smart enough to see that option, then surely Data, who's far smarter and more perceptive, would've seen it too. So what I have to believe is that Data was about to do just that, and was genuinely surprised that the disruptor had fired early, or maybe forgot he'd fired due to some interference between the disruptor and the transporter beam. I just can't accept the validity of the intended premise, because of the way that box was positioned. If the director had just spotted that problem and positioned the box on the center of Fajo's belt, say, so that Data didn't have a clear shot, then the premise would've worked as intended. Or if they'd established that shooting the box with the disruptor would've made it explode lethally, or something.

It's always disappointing when a writer tries to force characters into a situation with no way out and then you see an obvious way out that they missed.
We can assume therefore that the Varon-T disruptor offers no possibility of such a grazing option. As you say, Data would have realized that option in a fraction of a second, if it were available. Ergo, it isn't available.

Unpacking this further, concluding that the grazing option isn't available could mean also that the risks don't justify the rewards. For example, let us first grant that Data firing center mass at Fajo implies a 100% certainty of Fajo being disintegrated in a gruesome manner. Now, suppose further that an attempt of the grazing shot has only a 10% probability of success, that 80% of the time Fajo will be disintegrated (gruesomely) anyway, or die from an exploding force-field projector (which incidentally might also damage or destroy Data), and that 10% of the time Fajo gets the upper hand back and recaptures Data. If Fajo would kill just two people in the future, if he weren't stopped, then that means that the expected number of people who die should Data attempt the grazing shot equals (at a minimum, since we're not counting the possibility of Data getting destroyed from an exploding force field projector) .8*1 + .1*2 + .1*0, which equals 1. In such circumstances, Data could not expect to save life by attempting the grazing shot. If Fajo would kill more (and why wouldn't he, given the opportunity), and/or if Data could get destroyed by the force-field projector blowing up when grazed by the lethal disruptor beam, it's even worse. In such circumstances, mathematically, the only way to save life is to shoot to kill. Data would be able to calculate this.

I mean, you have to be suspicious of a claim that a non-lethal option exists that involves the firing of a lethal weapon. Shooting the chandelier down from the ceiling is rarely played seriously; the absurdity of the scenario, the ridiculous improbability that it would succeed, indicates comedy instead.

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Getting back to the question of the OP, is Data's reply, "I do not feel pleasure. I am only an android" also a lie (of omission or otherwise)? Perhaps, but perhaps not. One interpretation is that Data assumes that he does not feel pleasure because he is an android. I don't think we know exactly how the emotion chip works, whether it adds functionality so much as unlocks it.

One of the through-lines of Vulcan behavior is that, contrary to popular belief, Vulcans do feel emotions. They just don't acknowledge them, show them, or allow them to influence their behavior.

And how would Data know anyway whether he feels emotions? Sure, the emotion chip offers a contrast, but since he's technically different from Lore, Data is a one-of-a-kind machine. Lal even developed emotion as an emergent property. What's Data's baseline? How do we and how does he know for certain that what's going on in that positronic brain of his doesn't involve his feeling things?

So, yeah, perhaps this is Data selling himself short, because he knows he's still a wooden puppet and not a real boy.

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I just wanted to add that Saul Rubinek is outstanding in this role. Heck, he's outstanding in everything I've seen him in. I've seen only a sample of his work, but he really shines in Person of Interest and in the Jesse Stone films.
 
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Technically, saying "perhaps something happened during transport" isn't a lie. It's an evasion. Of course something happened during transport... several things in fact

He's not denying what he did. He's intimating that it's none of Riker's business to ask, which I agree it isn't. It's a strictly personal matter relative to his role as a captive, outside his role as an officer.

Why evade? Because specifically Data's status is always a little precarious, when it comes to his liberties. He has much reason to suspect that any scrutiny into his actions could be taken wrong by his superiors, particularly his emerging understanding that despite some programming to the contrary, he was able to decide to execute someone for the greater good.

That's probably not the kind of bad PR he needs in his life, when there've been people in powerful positions trying to deny & overrule his autonomy. Best to keep it private

As to his final line to Fajo. I don't think it's an outright lie. I doubt he takes actual pleasure from it. Although I think it's safe to suggest he does achieve satisfaction in such things. I especially think he gets some satisfaction from knowing that punishing someone unemotionally is significantly more damaging. He sure laid that hammer down pretty heavily on Dr. Kila Marr. He even seemed to play that way with Riker at the end of Gambit. He's savvy enough to know his unemotional thing can be used as a tool or schtick.

He doesn't win. He busts them up. ;)
 
Data has killed people before. He killed that Borg after all and Data of all people would recognize the Borg as a person.

Lore and Data are also identical in their potentiality.

So, yes, Data could and was going to kill Fajo.

Not the least because Fajo disgusts him. How that squares with his lack of emotion is interesting because he cared for Tasha Yar significantly. He HATES Fajo.

The final scene of the episode only makes sense if Data wants to make it clear that Fajo's life is ruined.
 
How that squares with his lack of emotion is interesting because he cared for Tasha Yar significantly.

Because his "lack of emotion" is a retcon that wasn't firmly established until Michael Piller came on board in season 3, though there are lines in "Peak Performance" that imply it. (Also arguably "The Schizoid Man," but Deanna only says she's surprised to sense human emotion in him, rather than any emotion at all.) The original idea was that Data had the capacity for emotion, but it was subdued and underdeveloped. I was really annoyed when they dumbed it down to the lazy cliche that "Machines can't have feelings, they only have programming!" Which is dumb, because emotions are programming, essentially -- hardwired, automatic responses to stimuli rather than things we learn or choose to feel. Logically, it should be far easier to program a AI with something as primitive and basic as emotion than with something as complex as sapient thought.

Not to mention the continuity problem it created. The Data of "The Ensigns of Command" who was totally clueless and confused when Ard'rian kissed him was not the same Data who had boasted two years earlier of being "fully functional" and programmed with a wide variety of pleasuring techniques.
 
I am pretty sure it was sheer hatred by then that he some how felt in his own way. And he was being vengeful but was also concerned with him doing it again. He said he could not allow it to continue. I think people are too caught up in Datas programming and protocol. Besides the woman who tried to help him who was Fajo's own friend was murdered in cold blood right before his eyes for aiding him. And of course the taunting.

Some real shit I have heard is all sorts of excuses for Fajo from Data acting like a woman to Fajos assistant never should have betrayed him despite her going against an obvious felon. Though, at the time a lot of these people were crying about the sweetest of Charles Mansons and Ted Bundy's.
 
I maintain that Data specifically went down to Fajo's cell to TAUNT HIM with the knowledge that he had lost everything.
Yes, @Christopher completely missed the point. Data was angry. Just as he was angry at Armus.

Data got angry, just as he got sad, hurt etc. Spiner knew it. The writers knew it. There was a producer's edict to the contrary, but...meh.
 
Because his "lack of emotion" is a retcon that wasn't firmly established until Michael Piller came on board in season 3, though there are lines in "Peak Performance" that imply it. (Also arguably "The Schizoid Man," but Deanna only says she's surprised to sense human emotion in him, rather than any emotion at all.) The original idea was that Data had the capacity for emotion, but it was subdued and underdeveloped. I was really annoyed when they dumbed it down to the lazy cliche that "Machines can't have feelings, they only have programming!" Which is dumb, because emotions are programming, essentially -- hardwired, automatic responses to stimuli rather than things we learn or choose to feel. Logically, it should be far easier to program a AI with something as primitive and basic as emotion than with something as complex as sapient thought.

Not to mention the continuity problem it created. The Data of "The Ensigns of Command" who was totally clueless and confused when Ard'rian kissed him was not the same Data who had boasted two years earlier of being "fully functional" and programmed with a wide variety of pleasuring techniques.

Well Noonien Soong programmed Lore with emotions. Data was presumably programmed with ethics, logic, and motivations to improve himself as a way to avoid the original's mistakes.
 
Well Noonien Soong programmed Lore with emotions. Data was presumably programmed with ethics, logic, and motivations to improve himself as a way to avoid the original's mistakes.

Judging from Lal and Rayna Kapec, sentient androids seem to be prone to fatal error when faced with emotional conflict. And Soong's first several prototypes all failed. Soong probably tried to fix the problem with Lore, but he went wrong in a different way. I figure that Lore avoided fatal collapse because he was a psychopath and thus didn't care about anyone but himself, so he was immune to the kind of conflicting loyalties and emotions that felled Rayna and Lal. So I figure Soong decided to leave emotion out of his next prototype, Data, until he could crack the problem once and for all.

Anyway, my complaint is not about the in-universe rationalization. Whether something can be justified in-universe is by far the least important and useful basis for critiquing it. Fiction is not meant merely for writing Wiki articles and lists of factoids; it's meant to make us think and feel and react, ideally to be imaginative and innovative and show us things we haven't seen before. Making robot or computer characters emotionless is a hackneyed cliche in fiction, as well as an unrealistic one. So when the writers imposed that cliche onto Data, I disliked it as a story device. I don't care how it's rationalized in the story; I just don't think it was the best way to approach the character. I think it limited him in unfortunate ways. And it was never credible anyway, because Data clearly did have preferences, dislikes, and other things that motivated him, which is basically what emotions are. It was narrow-minded to say he lacked emotion just because he didn't express emotion in the same way neurotypical humans do.
 
True.

In this case, I totally believe Data was going to kill Fajo because of being confronted with someone genuinely evil who would keep on killing (and disgusted to the point he didn't figure out another way around him).

And I also believe his loathing was great enough to go down there to taunt him.

Certainly, he also felt shame enough to lie to Riker.
 
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Fiction is not meant merely for writing Wiki articles and lists of factoids; it's meant to make us think and feel and react, ideally to be imaginative and innovative and show us things we haven't seen before.
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Then it shouldn't be that hard to imagine that Data would be angry at Fajo and want to kill him out of rage. Then lie afterward about it.

And why that would be the choice the writers would make for the character.
 
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Then it shouldn't be that hard to imagine that Data would be angry at Fajo and want to kill him out of rage. Then lie afterward about it.

I don't find that believable at all. I think it's ableist to equate neurotypical emotional expression with "human" emotional expression, but that doesn't mean I want Data to be capable of murderous hate. I also don't buy that he'd lie about it if he did do it. If he believed it was morally justified, why not just be honest about it? Hell, Worf didn't lie about killing Duras.

Bottom line, I never liked "The Most Toys." I think it's a flawed episode in concept and execution, and I don't respect what it tried to do.
 
I don't find that believable at all. I think it's ableist to equate neurotypical emotional expression with "human" emotional expression, but that doesn't mean I want Data to be capable of murderous hate. I also don't buy that he'd lie about it if he did do it. If he believed it was morally justified, why not just be honest about it? Hell, Worf didn't lie about killing Duras.

Bottom line, I never liked "The Most Toys." I think it's a flawed episode in concept and execution, and I don't respect what it tried to do.

I don't think hate is an appropriate word, though I do believe Data feels stronger negative feelings towards Fajo than he feels against the vast majority of sapients. Fajo is, after all, a sadist and a bully who is motivated by incredibly petty greed as well as vanity versus the more esoteric as well as grandiose things that previous opponents are motivated by.

I think Data's decision to kill Fajo is motivated by a perhaps more disturbing idea: that Data determined the most moral course of action was to execute Fajo then and there. Data cannot disarm him and Fajo has stated he would kill more innocents to force Data to perform. Also, Data has his own self-determinent desire for freedom that will likely not get another shot to escape.

Data undoubtedly analyzed it from all angles and determined, "Yes, Fajo has to go."

Something I suspect the Data we know would be troubled by the conclusion of.
 
This episode is post-"The Measure Of A Man" and post-"Datalore" also, of course. Data could easily be concerned about what people might do, if they began to realize or even just suspect that he was more like Lore than he had seemed so far. He might also be unsettled by the thought, himself. Either of those would be "logical" reasons to avoid telling the truth about intending to kill Fajo.
 
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