Darkest Voyager Episodes

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  1. Matthew Raymond

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    I get the distinct impression that Kate Mulgrew particularly enjoyed playing Evil Janeway. She acted circles around half the cast in that episode. Her performance was a perverse joy to behold.
     
  2. Ghislaine H. B. BRAEME

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    So true. Moreover, I have heard that actos often like playing bad guys/girls because it was most challenging for them & they experienced an almost sadistic love to play a detestable person... . Picardo was not bad either, in Equinox, in the role of the sadistic Doctor 2.0, :-)
     
  3. Matthew Raymond

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    I thought he was pretty good in his evil android incarnation as well.
     
  4. Prax

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    Anyone notice the person missing from this episode? "Evil B'elanna" doesn't show up until Author, Author. And she looks startlingly human.
    Torres as the EMH says,
    "Maybe you should be a little nicer to your shipmates."

    Lieutenant "Torrey" responds,
    "Let's get one thing straight. You're not one of my shipmates. You're a tool, like this hyperspanner. And tools can be replaced. So why don't you go back to Sickbay before I start doing a little reprogramming?"
     
  5. Sophie74656

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    Roxann Dawson was not in Living Whitness because she was on maternity leave. She had gone into labor durring the filming of Omega.
     
  6. Prax

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    I knew u were going to say that
     
  7. Thomas Eugene

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    Interesting. I can't really see myself as an actor but if I were one, I would surely want to play the good guy. Preferably the main character. Although, of course, the main character is not always the good guy ... as is apparent from that horrible StarGate Universe.
     
  8. DonIago

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    But after doing it constantly for 4+ years, maybe you'd welcome a short digression?
     
  9. Joel

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    Blood Fever - viewed by many as the 'sexy' episode but on the flip side there's a dark undercurrent of obsession and rape. Tom presents as wanting to turn her down, but we can clearly see the conflict within him to both help her and, dare I say it, indulge himself.
     
  10. Sophie74656

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    Well yes...a woman he has the hots for is begging him to have sex with her. I think it would be hard for anyone to resist.
     
  11. Joel

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    Agreed. Not saying he was wrong, kudos to his character for showing restraint. But there definitely was a thread of "i'd so do this if there was a way to get around it"
     
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  12. DonIago

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    Is that more or less disturbing than Tuvok ordering him to have sex with her?
     
  13. Prax

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    Tuvok has the answer:

    "There is nothing logical about the Pon Farr."
     
  14. Prax

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    Can you imagine if the roles were reversed? I remember listening to a podcast about "First Contact."
    Riker wants to escape the hospital, and a nurse says she'll help him, but only if he makes sexy time with her. He initially refuses, but she insists that she won't help him otherwise. He gives in.

    In the podcast(Mission Log) they mention what if the roles were reversed. What if it was Too in the hospital bed, and say, one of the orderlies offered to help her escape.

    Likewise here. What if Tom had the Pon Farr, and Tuvok said to B'elanna "If you don't 'help him," he will die.
     
  15. Joel

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    A darkly sexy episode then?
     
  16. Sophie74656

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    I VOLUNTEER AS TRIBUTE!!!!
     
  17. Joel

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    I would have struggled saying no to Torres....
     
  18. Thomas Eugene

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    I don't know because I really can't imagine myself as an actor. But I guess I probably wouldn't - I'd want to be the good guy. Even if I played the good guy I could do so many different things. Just think of Janeway, apart from being Captain, she is a governess in the 19th century, the leader of an underground resistance movement in the Second World War, the apprentice of an Italian Renaissance maestro, the lover of a 19th century Irish bartender ... etc.
    Science fiction is especially suitable for putting you into many roles even if you get to play the good guy all the time. I think I would enjoy that. If I were Captain, I could be Charles Dickens's friend (my fav author), go to BLUE concerts (English boyband) and perhaps even fall in love with one of the guys and at the same time I could fight lightsaber duels with Darth Vader and could still be the good guy. Now how cool would that be? :biggrin:
     
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  19. Brennyren

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    "Course: Oblivion" all the way. First we lose a major character (or rather, her doppelganger, although we don't know that at first); then the crew learns they aren't who they thought they were; then, after still more of them die, they make a valiant, even heroic, effort to leave some record of their existence behind -- and they fail. They're gone, virtually without trace. Some of the planets they visited in their own right may remember them, but even those incidents will probably end up being credited to their originals (our Voyager). I remember being pretty depressed at the end of this one, not to mention left with a certain sense of having been emotionally jerked around.
     
  20. DonIago

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    ...that kind of does beg the question of whether Our Heroes could have indirectly learned about their dopplegangers by visiting planets the latter had visited first, hearing about them, and then through the magic of 24th century scanners deducing what had happened.

    Could have been a "contemporary" spin on "Living Witness" actually, where Our Heroes visit a planet, find out that their dopplegangers screwed things up, and have to say "That's not who we are."

    Of course, if the dopplegangers were essentially identical to Our Heroes, that would raise the question of why they behaved differently than Our Heroes would have. Perhaps it was a judgment call on Janeway's part where she made what turned out to be the "wrong" decision.