Exactly. He wanted to let his clone body get killed so he'd forget that when he woke up. He couldn't handle the guilt. Hell, who could?
Dark Matter Season 3
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Exactly. He wanted to let his clone body get killed so he'd forget that when he woke up. He couldn't handle the guilt. Hell, who could?
Such a typical scene for Three, from his asking the truth from Ryo till wanting to unlearn what was learned! I'm guessing he will know this again sooner or later, though. Ryo knows and Sarah probably knows, too. And his alter ego probably as well.
Thanks, my tv kept freezing so I missed some bits.
So were there 2 separate revolts at the same time? Because it really didn't seem like Misaki would be working with the townspeople.
Great cliffhanger. Too bad I came here and read about the outcome. Though I can't say it's a surprise. The way that scene was structured pretty much guaranteed a certain outcome.
The scene with Three getting his clone body killed was one of the better ones in the whole series. I wonder if he was even considering that possible solution when he asked Ryo to tell him, before even knowing what it would be. Probably not, I suppose.
Are they making it through that list of future events too quickly? If the show gets renewed for another season, they'll have made it though the entire future before the end of the 4th season.
Great cliffhanger. Too bad I came here and read about the outcome. Though I can't say it's a surprise. The way that scene was structured pretty much guaranteed a certain outcome.
The scene with Three getting his clone body killed was one of the better ones in the whole series. I wonder if he was even considering that possible solution when he asked Ryo to tell him, before even knowing what it would be. Probably not, I suppose.
Are they making it through that list of future events too quickly? If the show gets renewed for another season, they'll have made it though the entire future before the end of the 4th season.
Oh, it's the oldest trick in the book for the powerful elites to manipulate the masses into doing their dirty work for them, disguising their own power grabs as grassroots populist revolts. Just look at the Tea Party.
More likely, Misaki saw Ryo's inability to crush the civil unrest as a sign of weakness and thus acted to depose him.
Yeah. I have my problems with a number of things about the writing of this series, but I am impressed by how they've handled the Transfer Transit concept. It could easily have been an easy cheat to spare the characters from real danger, but they've found ways to make it useful and to play with its ramifications.
I don't agree with the crew's decision to kill Ryo. Not because he is redeemable, but because there is another option already built into the show that doesn't involve bloodshed. During the talk between Two and Ryo at the end, with Ryo accepting his impending death, I thought Two was going to reveal that they had decided to erase his memories instead. It seemed like such an obvious solution to the crew's dilemma regarding his fate that I was surprised none of them brought it up. Not that it would solve all their problems regarding Ryo, but certainly a better option than murder.
Not that I'd ever approve of the death penalty, but I'm not sure that argument makes sense. The last time his memories were erased, he chose to restore them. He might make the same choice again. With or without his memories, he still has the same personality and ambitions. And that personality led him to betray them and turn on them, so it still could again. Presumably Three and the Android figured that was too great a risk to take.
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Does that mean the rest of the Raza crew have the same personality and ambitions with or without their memories? If erased again, why is it guaranteed Three would follow the same pattern?
I was wondering if there was a world he could be stranded on. Some backwater class M somewhere. Erase his memory AND strand him. Don't let him access the back up memories or whatever.
Send him to the parallel dimension Portia and Boone are from.
Take him back home to stand trial.
There are alternatives.
Does that mean the rest of the Raza crew have the same personality and ambitions with or without their memories? If erased again, why is it guaranteed Three would follow the same pattern?
I was wondering if there was a world he could be stranded on. Some backwater class M somewhere. Erase his memory AND strand him. Don't let him access the back up memories or whatever.
Send him to the parallel dimension Portia and Boone are from.
Take him back home to stand trial.
There are alternatives.
Yes, I think that's been an obvious and consistent theme throughout the series. Without their memories, One and Six were still basically decent people, Two was still a natural leader, Three was still a greedy, amoral mercenary, Four was still prideful and ambitious, and Five was still smart, caring, and a survivor. The biggest change was in Two, who tried to become a better person, but we've learned that who Rebecca/Portia became was a response to all the trauma and abuse and loss she suffered, rather than her natural inclination, so in that case it makes sense.
Three? I think you meant Four. But in fact, both Three and Four have proven to be the ones most willing to embrace who they were before, although Three has found out that he's better off without his painful memories and has proven less willing to betray his comrades than Four/Ryo was.
Besides, we're not talking about "guarantees" and I never said we were. The point is, Three and the Android believe the risk is not worth taking. The first time Ryo's memory was wiped, he sought to find out about his past, and when he learned he was an exiled monarch, he did everything he could to regain his power and avenge his betrayal. Reset him to the same point and it's reasonable to think he could follow the same pattern. It wouldn't fix the problem, it would just reiterate the problem.
I'm not saying there couldn't be a way to change Ryo's behavior without killing him. I'm just saying I don't think wiping his memory again would be it. We've already seen what happened when his memory was wiped, and it didn't turn out well. There's no sense in thinking that repeating the same action would generate different results. It makes more sense to try something different.
If there's no civilization there to support him, that would probably just be a slow death sentence rather than a quick one. And if there is a civilization there, he could gain access to galactic databases and rediscover who he was, just as he did the first time.
Where there's already another Emperor Ryo Ishida, who would probably kill him rather than tolerate a rival. And if "our" Ryo managed to prevail, he'd just be a cruel tyrant to that universe's people instead of this one's. How is it moral to foist your problems off on somebody else, knowing that they will suffer for it?
Another guaranteed death sentence. You really think the people who overthrew him and tried to assassinate him would be lenient?
If they did a memory wipe I'm not sure they would have anything to replace them with. Weren't the copies of 4's persona wiped or something?
Parallel dimension was a freak accident so that's out.
I did think of the dropping him off somewhere as an option.
No chance to take him back to Zairon for trial. I suspect they'd try and blow the Raza out of space the moment it was detected. Not sure even who's running the place either. Also allowing his own people to put him on trail would simply be doing a Pontius Pilate. Two might as well have shot him cos he'd still wind up dead.
Well, that was a preview that immediately killed any of the drama the fade-out on the gun was supposed to provide
You have to wonder sometimes how the bright sparks are that cut the promos.
About half of the events mentioned will have been visited at the end of the season.
I watched the episode this morning, and I thought it was a pretty good end to Ryo's storyline.
Since I watched it on the Syfy app I didn't see the preview, but from what you guys are saying they do kill him. That is a bit disappointing, I think it would have been interesting to keep him around at least for a little while, just becaise I would have liked to see him have to deal with losing his empire, and to see the characters have to deal with him after everything he put them through.
I wasn't surprised that Misaki turn on Ryo, she'd been getting more and more frustrated with him as the story has been going on.
I'm surprised I haven't seen much conversation about the big Two related reveal. I thought it kind of came out of nowhere, I don't remember anything that even implied anywhere that she had a kid. I'm curious to see exactly where they're going to go with that, I'm assuming it'll be her big motivation for a while.
Since I watched it on the Syfy app I didn't see the preview, but from what you guys are saying they do kill him. That is a bit disappointing, I think it would have been interesting to keep him around at least for a little while, just becaise I would have liked to see him have to deal with losing his empire, and to see the characters have to deal with him after everything he put them through.
I wasn't surprised that Misaki turn on Ryo, she'd been getting more and more frustrated with him as the story has been going on.
I'm surprised I haven't seen much conversation about the big Two related reveal. I thought it kind of came out of nowhere, I don't remember anything that even implied anywhere that she had a kid. I'm curious to see exactly where they're going to go with that, I'm assuming it'll be her big motivation for a while.
Well I guess that's one way to end this poorly-defined corporate war -- require them to join forces to fight an even bigger threat.
Part of me hopes they keep Six dead, because the more times characters come back from the dead, the less meaningful it becomes (Supernatural). Even though they didn't really give him a big send off other than the scene with Five.
Part of me hopes they keep Six dead, because the more times characters come back from the dead, the less meaningful it becomes (Supernatural). Even though they didn't really give him a big send off other than the scene with Five.
Exactly as I predicted two weeks ago, and what I said then still stands:
This season really has been unfocused. We got all that stuff with Anders and Adrian and Solara in the first half, then they all disappeared, and all this stuff about alien invaders and android uprisings and so on has been piled on in the last few episodes.
So let's see. Two is possessed by an alien. It's what she was created for, so it should be harder to get the alien out of her than it was with Three. As for Three, he's off with Portia -- and I'm kind of wondering if they might kill off Two and put Portia in her place, though that would squander a lot of character development. Ryo is free and on the path to being forgiven, which I guess isn't surprising, but it makes his whole arc of the past year feel like a fakeout. Five, as usual, is the one in the least danger at the cliffhanger, though it's seen through her eyes. And we're supposed to think Six is dead... but since Possessed Two reprogrammed the blink drive to open a dimensional rift rather than exploding as she claimed, I bet it'll turn out that Six is still alive and in the hands of the new enemy.
And Five's sister's adoptive mother turns out to be Alicia Reynaud, the one who came after her to get the blink drive. Okay, ironic, but such a throwaway, dangling revelation that it feels kind of pointless to put here. It seems the reveal should've been more dramatic. Like, Reynaud has Five dangling over a bottomless pit and says, "No! I am your sister's adoptive mother!" "No! That can't be! It's impossible!" "Search the Web! You know it to be true!" "NOOOOOO!!!!"
...Okay, maybe not quite like that.
On this week's after dark, Anthony Lemkie made a comment that in way probably explains why it seems poorly defined - it never directly involved the Raza crew - they were at the periphery so just saw bits and pieces.
Either Roger Cross was acting or he seems to think that Six is dead as well and none of the cast were happy with discussing that plot point.
It's been commented about the how the alien invasion subplot seemed to come out of nowhere but according to Jay Firestone, it was always play and that each season has a pre-planned arc as part of a larger story. It does get tweaked and parts have been dropped (such as story line about One that went out the door when he did).
Finally was also revealed that the original plan for Two was she was going to be an android.
The fact that it was pre-planned doesn't exactly forgive the fact that it feels so clumsily assembled. Heck, just putting the discovery of the alien infiltrators earlier in the season would've helped. Or they could've seeded it by, say, having Anders mention in his early appearances that he'd noticed something strange going on within the corporations and the GA and so he didn't know who to trust, which would've given him a reason for reaching out to Kal/Six and the Raza crew. That would've been an early hint that the discovery of the alien infiltrators would've built on, and it would've tied the season together better.
Some shows like Gotham have way too many characters because they can't seem to handle more than a handful at a time, while The Last Ship has so many characters they don't get developed and you don't know half their names. On the other hand, I'd argue that a show like Dark Matter needs more regular characters to follow on a weekly basis so in that regard it would suck to lose Six. Alt-Wexler is on the ship now, but is he just going to up and leave for no reason a few episodes into next season?
I'm glad they changed Two to a flesh-and-blood character. This might also explain why the role of the actual android got significantly expanded, as the temptation to side with the "Android Liberation Front" would have been for Two otherwise.
The alien invasion plot was already foreshadowed with the first Dwarf Star episode, where it turned out that Alex Rook (allthough who is the CEO of his company) had a sinister boss who made creepy remarks about old bodies. This was clearly planned at an early stage, not merely because the show's producers say so.
I'm not convinced Six is gone, there might yet be a way for him to survive (time travel, him ending up in the "black ships" universe along with the Ferrous installation and ships,...). This show always seem to find ways to bring people back if they want, witness Wexler in this episode.
It seems like Mikkei's strategy of waiting out the result of the war (and then pick off the weakened winner) backfired, as most of Ferrous' opponents essentially seems to have made a deal to surrender. But since the aliens had infiltrated all the corporations and were tugging at least some of the strings, they effectively are the winner of the corporate war. The remains of the fleets of Ferrous, Mikkei and co will soon have to work together. So game of thrones!
was going to comment on the cliche if they went down the path of one of the corporate allying with the aliens then remembered - Dwarf Star is already in bed with them.
