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Dark Frontier - was there a better way to show "the surprise reveal"?

Qonundrum

Just graduated from Camp Ridiculous
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Of all the nitpicks and plot foibles, only one really stands out.

When Seven sees her assimilated father and exclaims with sadness and apparent surprise of "Papa!", it's supposed to be a gut-plummeting moment for the audience. Except it's par for the course that Borg assimilate species and 20 minutes' worth of character buildup had been on display prior to this moment, which douse the fire of the moment a little too quickly. It would have been a bigger surprise for the Queen to state they were killed in a self-destruct act or saying only Annika was taken (the parents destroying the ship with their magic armbands preventing the Borg finding them active, which then would take care of the issue where the Borg were quick to realize what the audience had figured out an hour before, in that they would know of the gizmo and counter it due to not being able to figure out how it protected the human wearers of it.)

More on that, we could easily have had just the scenes where Janeway and co. discover the information used by the Hansens in the logs, and have debate brought down for the same reason that Janeway was not going to swallow the accusations from others that Seven had turned on the crew. It wouldn't be hard to guess that the technology used would not work, but the audience could still get one nice jaw-dropper of a moment.

Speaking of logs, as with a previous story from season four, Janeway's able to download from Starfleet Central's database very quickly all this backstory information. (Since they need special episodes to even get through to the Federation to say "Hi there, we're alive but not at the phone right now", there's no way their computer systems can be connected to the Federation's WAN, mesh, or whatever network they have in place. That aside, the EMH stating each drone has its own technobabble address -- which is akin to a MAC address unique to every network interface card, which is one of many little moments I adored, especially as they don't do the allusion outright... :D

Are there other ways that the reveal of Seven's parents could have worked without the prior exposition that preemptively gives it away?

(The story is still B+/A- in my book for the overall themes, some great set pieces, great acting, great music, and tight production that does convey a legitimately epic scale and awe over just how big the Collective is, but the little sticklers still get to me. The other biggie is how the Hansens were picking up thousands of life forms on the ship when "Q WHO" onward stated they could not discern individual drones. )
 
The whole Queen thing is rubbish, especially in Voyager. So they just got rid of Vinculums and adopted Queens instead.

I was ambivalent on the Queen ever since STFC. I wish they didn't do it, but she did make the movie more "epic". The other problem is that, while they're trying to make humans look like a big threat, STFC dispatches the Borg by using a lot of pew pew pew. This is just one Borg ship.Just like the "just one Borg ship" used in The Best of Both Worlds. Voyager not only adopts the Queen (something "Scorpion" (1997) did not embrace, almost as if it is setting up the Borg's back story isolated from TNG's?) ) but Dark Frontier also shows two cubes trampling over a much smaller fleet in no time. Yet they can't figure out why humans trounce them? (it's the second biggest oopsie made, but I'm trying to do all this while wearing "voyager-only goggles". Mostly because I want to like the story...)

Or VOY was just clutching at straws for ratings. Every franchise has done that, Doctor Who alone has done it a few dozen times... :D but TNG felt like it was creating a more robust continuity... :( I dunno...
 
TNG also gave us Borg as babies that were kept in drawers, so that kind of messed up continuity a bit with people asking if they had babies or something I remember from years back.
 
I don't remember if this was stated, but couldn't the Hansen logs and all the other stuff have come from the Raven when Tuvok and Seven found the wreckage? That could have been done in between scenes with the B'Omar and Voyager.
 
Seven's parents being killed or abandoning her to save themselves would've had more impact for the character on the whole.

When the Borg assimilate worlds/ships/stations they're going to come across infants or individuals who are pregnant, taking both and having the baby developed artificially (especially if at an accelerated rate) would give the Collective more drones.

Voyager accessing the Hansen's logs from the Raven would be the most logical means of gaining the information, since it doesn't seem like they transmitted any of their findings back to Starfleet.
 
But seing as they don't ever have sexy time or cloning babies seem very inefficient

The borg say "your biological distinctiveness will be added to our own." If that's true, they must do some amount of procreating, or else each assimilated race would eventually go completely extinct and their biological distinctiveness would be lost.

It's not like the borg collective lives hand to mouth. They have the energy and resources to spend on reproduction. And of course it would be carefully managed to optimize things like fitness and biologically distinct traits and prevent excessive population growth. You know, creep logic.
 
The borg say "your biological distinctiveness will be added to our own." If that's true, they must do some amount of procreating, or else each assimilated race would eventually go completely extinct and their biological distinctiveness would be lost.

It's not like the borg collective lives hand to mouth. They have the energy and resources to spend on reproduction. And of course it would be carefully managed to optimize things like fitness and biologically distinct traits and prevent excessive population growth. You know, creep logic.


I guess but I just can't imagine pregnant Borg or even Borg bumping boots. Maybe they do it with tubules
 
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