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I wasn't a big fan of David Arnold's scores. Too pastiche. But his last score was arguably his best where it was more thematically appropriate for the film. Arnold committed five scores in a span of 11 years. That's quite an achievement, but I don't want a single composer appointed for many years down the road like that again. That's why I was excited for both Newman and Zimmer, because I love seeing new composers get a crack at Bond, and I hope to see that continue with more composers in the future.
The one-off composers in between John Barry's contributions and the hiring of David Arnold were really hit or miss. I'm more or less indifferent about George Martin's score for Live and Let Die and Michael Kamen's work on Licence to Kill. I love Marvin Hamlisch's score for The Spy Who Loved Me and Bill Conti's For Your Eyes Only, but I'll also be the first to admit that they're dated as hell, lacking a certain timelessness that Barry's work has. And the less said about that somnambulant dreck Éric Serra wrote for GoldenEye the better.
 
I could see them going for Elba and taking that opportunity to officially make James Bond a code name from now on. Especially if they kill off Craig's Bond.
You know, I feel they are going there, but not what we think*; no actor will ever be bigger than James Bond and I feel whatever the producers do the next James Bond will be James Bond no code name... well... except for his OO status. Not for Bond being of another race but I don't mind it if he's someone like Elba who IMO transcends. I've made up my mind, I'll be risking my life to see this movie in IMAX and with people, I hope it's not too crowded but these movies are events and I want to see it in the best theatre in San Francisco and enjoy every minute of it. Lets face it... There's no time to die for OO7 and he can die another day when the Broccolli's are not in charge, but rest assured, James Bond will return...

*I suppose a self sacrifice could happen and string us along and pull a Dark Knight Returns where M or Moneypenny sees him with Madeleine drinking a martini.
 
You know, I feel they are going there, but not what we think*; no actor will ever be bigger than James Bond and I feel whatever the producers do the next James Bond will be James Bond no code name... well... except for his OO status. Not for Bond being of another race but I don't mind it if he's someone like Elba who IMO transcends. I've made up my mind, I'll be risking my life to see this movie in IMAX and with people, I hope it's not too crowded but these movies are events and I want to see it in the best theatre in San Francisco and enjoy every minute of it. Lets face it... There's no time to die for OO7 and he can die another day when the Broccolli's are not in charge, but rest assured, James Bond will return...

*I suppose a self sacrifice could happen and string us along and pull a Dark Knight Returns where M or Moneypenny sees him with Madeleine drinking a martini.
Yeah. I think whoever plays Bond next will be James Bond. Not some code name. And why not. Everyone that's played 007 has come from different backgrounds. Scottish, British, Welsh, Irish, Australian. Why would Elba be any different...or any Black actor
 
The one-off composers in between John Barry's contributions and the hiring of David Arnold were really hit or miss. I'm more or less indifferent about George Martin's score for Live and Let Die and Michael Kamen's work on Licence to Kill. I love Marvin Hamlisch's score for The Spy Who Loved Me and Bill Conti's For Your Eyes Only, but I'll also be the first to admit that they're dated as hell, lacking a certain timelessness that Barry's work has. And the less said about that somnambulant dreck Éric Serra wrote for GoldenEye the better.

Of those scores, the only one I probably don’t care for is George Martin’s. I think he gets too loud with his music at times, like when Bond pulls Rosy Carver into his suite.

And controversial opinion: I think the GE score is FANTASTIC and perfectly suited to that film. I’ll take that score over David Arnold’s entire discography any day.

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Your polite reminder that Idris Elba is now 49. Even accounting for Eon turning a Bond flick around in two years he'll be 51 by then, and given recent pre covid events I think we're looking at minimum of three years so he'd be 52 when his first film comes out and probably 55 by the time his second debuts. Rog was the oldest debutant Bond at 46 when he made LALD and the films are way more physically demanding now than they were in the early 70s. Yes Cruise is still churning high octane action films out at nearly 60 but he's the exception not the rule and he's firmly established in that franchise not a new starter.

I mean never say never (again) and if Eon wanted a placeholder Bond for one film I could see them maybe picking Elba, but it's highly unlikely. The brand is built on hiring actors who will lead the franchise for multiple films/years so it makes sense to get someone who's in their early 40s at most, and given they're not churning films out every two years like they were back in the day if they want any kind of longevity I reckon they'll go mid to late 30s.
 
Skyfall isn't terrible, quite the reverse but tomayto, tomahto. It is the one with definitely no connection, short of the one they shoehorned into Spectre. I have no problem connecting Green with Blofeld. Either Quantum was a separate organisation that Spectre absorbed, or it was Spectre all along, perhaps undergoing an eventually unsuccessful rebrand ala Consignia :lol: Silva though they should have left well enough alone. Stupid small universe. I don't object to the films being interconnected, I do object to them making it up as they go. They should have had at least a vague idea what they wanted to with the overall arc and I don't think they ever did.

I could see them wanting to retain Finnes as M but won't be surprised if we get a new Q and Moneypenny (assuming they don't just drop the characters as they had in CR and QoS).

I do hope they return to a more standalone series, or if they do decide on an arc they put more thought into it. I don't have any problem with Bond wanting to quit. The psychological impact of that job must be insane unless you're a complete sociopath and nothing suggests that about Bond (well maybe when Connery played him). I do want to see a bloody end to 007 going rogue every other Tuesday...

Let's not forget Moore kicking that henchmans car off the side of a mountain in For your eye only after a nice bit of gloating. lol
 
Your polite reminder that Idris Elba is now 49. Even accounting for Eon turning a Bond flick around in two years he'll be 51 by then, and given recent pre covid events I think we're looking at minimum of three years so he'd be 52 when his first film comes out and probably 55 by the time his second debuts. Rog was the oldest debutant Bond at 46 when he made LALD and the films are way more physically demanding now than they were in the early 70s. Yes Cruise is still churning high octane action films out at nearly 60 but he's the exception not the rule and he's firmly established in that franchise not a new starter.

I mean never say never (again) and if Eon wanted a placeholder Bond for one film I could see them maybe picking Elba, but it's highly unlikely. The brand is built on hiring actors who will lead the franchise for multiple films/years so it makes sense to get someone who's in their early 40s at most, and given they're not churning films out every two years like they were back in the day if they want any kind of longevity I reckon they'll go mid to late 30s.
As much as I would love to see Elba as James Bond, the reality of the situation as laid out here does make it seem pretty unlikely.
 
Idris Elba was to the 2010s what Clive Owen was in the 2000s. I was always more interested in Michael Fassbender getting the gig, but he’s already aged out as well unless he just wants to do a one shot, or two.
 
I always liked the idea of Fassbender as Bond (if he could keep his accent consistent anyway) but yeah that window's probably closed now, or soon will have (see also Tom Hardy, Cillian Murphy etc etc...)

Tom Hiddleston is 40. Henry Cavill and Aiden Turner are both 38, James Norton is 36, Richard Madden is 35, Regé-Jean Page is 31, John Boyega is 29. These are the guys most likely in the running (plus some people we've never heard of but of a similar age)

Age wise it's bonkers to consider Connery was 32 when Dr No came out and Lazenby only 30 with OHMSS!
 
Of those scores, the only one I probably don’t care for is George Martin’s. I think he gets too loud with his music at times, like when Bond pulls Rosy Carver into his suite.

And controversial opinion: I think the GE score is FANTASTIC and perfectly suited to that film. I’ll take that score over David Arnold’s entire discography any day.

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Wow. I too liked Eric Serra's cold war score I thought it was better than the movie itself which was completely ridiculous but at times the score contradicts what was on screen. The tank sequence was probably the best moment where the score gelled but I later discovered Serra had nothing to do with that portion, it was ghost composed by John Altman which is still a memorable score THE best moment for me.

Taking GoldenEye score over everything David Arnold is quite insulting, but then again I prefer Serra's score than what Thomas Newman's two identical and very lazy scores for SkyFall and Spectre.
 
the films are way more physically demanding now than they were in the early 70s. Yes Cruise is still churning high octane action films out at nearly 60 but he's the exception not the rule and he's firmly established in that franchise not a new starter.

I mean never say never (again) and if Eon wanted a placeholder Bond for one film I could see them maybe picking Elba, but it's highly unlikely. The brand is built on hiring actors who will lead the franchise for multiple films/years so it makes sense to get someone who's in their early 40s at most, and given they're not churning films out every two years like they were back in the day if they want any kind of longevity I reckon they'll go mid to late 30s.
Correction, the films were more physical because of Daniel Craig's decision to be part stunt man throughout his reign. Actors replacing the stuntman was never a requirement for playing James Bond, whatever the new actor decides will be his choice. Also the notion of Elba's age is a disqualifier is bullsh*t especially since the times of Star Trek we all have seen actors defying the logic of physical activity and it has transcended through ALL GENRES and FRANCHISES: Rocky, Rambo, Terminator, Die Hard, Star Wars, and even Indiana Jones are breaking the rules of the ages. INDIANA JONES is going to break the age barrier by having a near 80 years old Harrison Ford fighting Nazi's in 1969??? If that is not a problem in HollywoodLand than I see nothing wrong with a James Bond actor in his 50's who doesn't really look 50.
 
Richard Madden is 35

They have deliberately put all the classic Bond element back in place, we have Moneypenny and a Male M now. I could totally see them going with Madden for a lighthearted Bond. It's been long enough since Austin Powers for that tone to work again. And they need to have a shift in tone from the gritty Craig films anyway, real life is dour enough already.
 
For me, the "Man from UNCLE" movie struck the right tone when it comes to what I would want from a (re-)revamped Bond franchise. I wish it had been popular enough to get a sequel.

Kor
 
Wow. I too liked Eric Serra's cold war score I thought it was better than the movie itself which was completely ridiculous but at times the score contradicts what was on screen. The tank sequence was probably the best moment where the score gelled but I later discovered Serra had nothing to do with that portion, it was ghost composed by John Altman which is still a memorable score THE best moment for me.

Taking GoldenEye score over everything David Arnold is quite insulting, but then again I prefer Serra's score than what Thomas Newman's two identical and very lazy scores for SkyFall and Spectre.

I'm kind of the opposite on Goldeneye. I liked the movie for the most part but not Serra's score. However, I did like the theme song by Tina Turner (Serra had no part in the theme song and for some reason licensing prevented them from using any part of the title song in the movie itself). However, I'll admit part of that might have been the anticipation. I had become a 007 fan after License to Kill had already come out on video, and their was a long 6 year gap between that movie and Goldeneye. So I had to wait a long time to see my first Bond film in the theater. And I was excited to see Pierce Brosnan in the role. He was originally supposed to take over for Roger Moore, but when that was announced his show, Remington Steele, saw an upsurge in popularity so they decided to renew it for another season and Brosnan was contractually required to do the show. Broccoli them said that Remington Steele was not James Bond and withdrew the offer and gave it to Dalton (which in term led to an immediate drop in Remington Steele's ratings and the show was cancelled partway through the last season--kind of feel bad for Brosnan in that case, he was the one that got the screwing by both sides). So I was glad he finally got to play Bond after Dalton decided not to do another after such a long hiatus. It's badly dated, yes, but then sometimes that's the charm ;) . The Spy Who Loved Me is a great Bond film and is pretty dated as well.

My favorite Bond composer, of course, is John Barry. His best music was probably his last Bond film, The Living Daylights. But he had a lot of great scores and captured the scenes perfectly. Moonraker was another great score by him. I loved the romanticism in his music as Bond travels around the globe, then in space.

I thought David Arnold was probably the second best. He was definitely a 'disciple' of Barry's and at times I could almost imagine Barry doing the score. The one-off composers varies. You gotta love the disco-fied Bond music in The Spy Who Loved me :lol:. And you could tell George Martin and Bill Conti did their respective films as Martin's had a definite rock and roll vibe while Conti reminded me somewhat of his Rocky scores. The music for License to Kill was meh.

I do disagree a bit about Newman. I thought he was probably in 3rd or 4th place. He's the reliable everyman when it come to scores. He gets the job done, though he's not all that exciting. I loved the theme to Skyfall by Adele, but hated the theme for Spectre by Sam Smith (God, I used to think the worse was "The Man With the Golden Gun" by LuLu, but Smith's makes me halfway like Lulu's). A shame too because I loved the visuals of the title sequence. Smith's song totally ruins it. You swear he's building up to something big and.....nothing. It fizzles out. Ugh. :barf2:

Favorite Bond them, BTW--"A View to a Kill" by Duran Duran. I love that theme. Everything about it screams 007.

Correction, the films were more physical because of Daniel Craig's decision to be part stunt man throughout his reign. Actors replacing the stuntman was never a requirement for playing James Bond, whatever the new actor decides will be his choice. Also the notion of Elba's age is a disqualifier is bullsh*t especially since the times of Star Trek we all have seen actors defying the logic of physical activity and it has transcended through ALL GENRES and FRANCHISES: Rocky, Rambo, Terminator, Die Hard, Star Wars, and even Indiana Jones are breaking the rules of the ages. INDIANA JONES is going to break the age barrier by having a near 80 years old Harrison Ford fighting Nazi's in 1969??? If that is not a problem in HollywoodLand than I see nothing wrong with a James Bond actor in his 50's who doesn't really look 50.

Nowadays I think that could work. If this were still 1975 or 1985, then it'd probably be a stretch. But I think an Elba could work these days. If they used a guy in their 50s it would have to be someone fit. Bond is no slouch, even if the actor didn't do his own stunt work. But there are possibilities I think.

Now that being said, they'll probably go with a guy in their 40s or maybe 30s. They usually would prefer to have an actor in the role for a couple of movies, and this isn't the 1960s or 70s when Bond films were coming out every year or so. There's now a 4 to 5 year gap between films so they'll probably try to find someone that could play the role for the next 15 to 20 years. But I wouldn't be surprised if they tried to find a Black actor to do the role next time, probably from somewhere in the UK.
 
I can't read these people, the Broccolli's do what they do, they hired an ugly man who I would've never thought to be OO7 and did a tremendous job in Casino Royale. When the Broccolli's are invested in an actor, they'll make it work no matter how old they are. If they see Elba as Bond they will invest in him, I doubt that good looking man is going to breakdown in 2, 3 or 10 years. He looks very fit and incredibly handsome. Henry Cavil is another but I think he's a terrible actor, at least Craig had the acting chops to be OO7, I doubt Cavil.

Wow. I loved every James Bond musical theme song except for SkyFall by Adele. LOL!!! I thought that theme song was soooo trope-ish and unoriginal. I had the same feeling about Tomorrow Never Dies song "Surrender" it was not original enough and felt too much like a nod. I am glad the Broccolli's went for an unexpected route and went with Sheryl Crow's Tomorrow Never Dies. Well, maybe not just Adele's song, Madonna's song for Die Another Die was wretched and I don't know what was going on with Alicia Keys uh??? song for Quantum of Solace??? ??? Does it even have Quantum of Solace in the lyrics??? LOL!
 
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I think whoever the next Bond is won’t even be anyone we’re thinking of.

Aside from Brosnan, all the Bond actors were not obvious choices when they got the gig.
Yup. Last time out, all the smart money was supposed to be on Eric Bana, Russell Crowe, Julian McMahon, Clive Owen and others. Craig’s name only came into frame well into the casting process.
 
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