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If Lazenby hadn't decided to walk away from Bond, Tracy's death would have been the opening scene of Diamonds Are Forever.
I honestly don't know why it took me so long to realize this (better late than never, maybe?), but that's an absolutely chilling idea. The idea that diamonds are forever is a cold contrast to the temporary nature of Bond's marriage. The title song in the film that we got talks about diamonds being more permanent than the lover who deserts you or lets you down, but nowhere is there mention of the faithful lover who was taken away from you. What you're describing would have added a wholly new layer to the symbolism.
 
I honestly don't know why it took me so long to realize this (better late than never, maybe?), but that's an absolutely chilling idea. The idea that diamonds are forever is a cold contrast to the temporary nature of Bond's marriage. The title song in the film that we got talks about diamonds being more permanent than the lover who deserts you or lets you down, but nowhere is there mention of the faithful lover who was taken away from you. What you're describing would have added a wholly new layer to the symbolism.
Diamonds would have been a radically different film if Lazenby had stayed on in the role. I just can't see him doing a total 180° from Tracy's death and joyously romping his way through the lighthearted camp that was Connery's last official Bond film. (OTOH, that's exactly the approach they took to the opening of Austin Powers: The Spy Who Shagged Me.)

The song itself seems like it almost belongs to a totally different movie... there's a sadness to the song that feels out of place in what we ultimately got.
 
If Lazenby hadn't decided to walk away from Bond, Tracy's death would have been the opening scene of Diamonds Are Forever.
That was actually an idea Peter Hunt came up with years later, when he was talking how he would have liked things to have played out with Lazenby not abandoning the role. It wasn’t actually something that was considered during post-production of OHMSS. Tracy’s death was always going to be in the ending of that regardless if Lazenby came back or not.

It’s too bad we never got a proper follow up, but after Lazenby leaving and the films reception, I can’t blame them for trying to go back to the tone of GOLDFINGER with Guy Hamilton being brought back.
 
I think the article seriously underestimates how important DAF was for giving the franchise a needed boost at the time, and how Lazenby (and him bailing from the franchise) was more detrimental to how audiences perceived OHMSS. I think had Connery been in OHMSS, and gave it his A-game like he did in earlier films like FRWL, audiences would have been more open to seeing his Bond in a more vulnerable state, because he would have EARNED it after five films. Heck, I think even Roger Moore would have had a good reception because he was already an established name. But because EON decided to hire a male model who's only acting credit was in a chocolate commercial, is it any surprise audiences weren't very receptive towards Lazenby, especially since he announced on talk shows before the film's premiere that he wasn't going to do more, and that he thought Bond was a passing fad? He only used Bond to prop himself up, and once was done with it tried to associate himself more with the counter culture by growing long hair and a beard, as if he was "too cool" for Bond. It's only when his career didn't pan out the way he hoped that he started to look back at Bond and realize what a foolish mistake he made.

Even to this day, OHMSS is still overlooked because it's the one with Lazenby and not any of the other popular actors. The only audience that loves and props it up as a franchise highlight are Bond fans, which practically makes it a cult film. Had it been Connery's or Moore's, it wouldn't be as obscure for general audiences. Which is too bad, because it really deserves a bigger audience.
 
I like most of the OO7 movies, including the Roger Moore one which I didn't like very much when I was younger. From Russia With Love is my fav while Goldfinger is second, and then Thunderball, Dr. No. I loved On Her Majesty's Secret Service and I agree I would like to see some stand alone OO7 flick where its just a mission without all of the baggage from the previous movie. I don't know Madeleine's fate but I think it could be a huge blunder and repetitive if the movie winds up taking her life.

Teresa's killing was jaw dropping because of her mental state in the movie and with all that had happened I was rooting for her to be okay. In Craig's run, Bond for some reason loved that two bit liar Vesper and had some moment with her but as the novel before it she was killed, he had a redundant sequel concerning her and the movie and its result was not satisfying. I hope Madeleine doesn't get killed because I feel OO7 should have some happiness, and I pray this is not some sick joke where its implied Madeleine and Vesper were related. For some reason "The Dark Knight Returns" comes to mind where Batman took a nuclear bomb off the coast of New York City (Gotham) and ignited, and by the end of the movie he's spotted with a sociopathic woman drinking champagne in Paris. I just don't want a similar ending.


Yeah, I'm hoping Madeleine will be ok in No Time to Die as well. This is definitely Craig's last 007 film and I think the producers have indicated this will be end of this story arc, so there's no reason to kill her off. To kill her off would almost seem cynical. Before Madeline, Bond only had two women he truly loved in the Bond films and both were murdered. Maybe the 3rd time will be a charm and they'll live happily ever after ;) . I also hope she is not tied to Vesper in any way. After trying to shoehorn Silva into Spectre to link all the Craig films together, that would just be too much already. I liked Craig mostly and I just wish we got to see him do a typical 007 mission without a lot of baggage. Sigh. At least he finally got his gun barrel sequence at the beginning of the film where it belongs, we only had to wait until his 4th film.

I loved On Her Majesty's Secret Service, and perhaps it's sacrilegious to say but I'm glad Sean Connery didn't do that film. If he had it would have been a much different film. I'd have a hard time seeing Connery's Bond getting tearful over anything. Having a new actor in the role allowed them to do some different things that just wouldn't fit the way Connery played the role. I'm glad to see that movie gets more favoring reviews these days. At the time it came out it wasn't very favorably received. I believe that was because the public had a hard time accepting another actor as Bond after Connery, fairly or not. In a way that probably opened the door for people to accept Roger Moore, since people already saw someone else play Bond it was no longer such a shock. But I'm just guessing. I might be just a tad older ;) but I'm not old enough to have been around when those movies came out :lol:.

I also liked Telly Savalas as Blofeld. He brought a bit of a toughness to the role, as well as a certain amount of charisma. He was probably my favorite Blofeld.

And Tracy's death was one of the few things that was brought up in future Bond films from time to time. Of course in Diamonds Are Forever, 007 wants revenge on Blofeld. Then in For Your Eyes Only we have 007 laying flowers at her grave (I liked the little touch of having "We Have All the Time In the World" on her headstone). In License to Kill his marriage is mentioned once more by Felix to his new wife when Bond seems a bit down when he left, and after she's murdered I always thought that was one of the reasons Bond went rogue there (it always bothered me in that film at the end how Felix seems back to his old, jovial self--dude, your new bride was just murdered, WTF). And finally in one of the Brosnan films a character brings up that he was married once and Bond quickly says "That's enough" (I think it was The World Is Not Enough though it might be Tomorrow Never Dies).

I loved all the Connery films though. Goldfinger was probably my favorite, and was the only one of the Connery films not to involve SPECTRE. Though I liked SPECTRE as the criminal organization in the early films. Then there was a lot of legal issues with using SPECTRE and Blofeld for years and when it was finally resolved and they could do another film about SPECTRE I was excited. But I didn't care for it as much in Spectre. They were still a massive criminal organization but I wasn't fond of Blofeld having family ties to Bond. I liked the organization better when it was just a criminal organization that didn't really have anything to do with Bond, and didn't have a personal beef with him until he kept foiling their evil plans.

I can't even really say who my favorite Bond was. I can say Timothy Dalton was probably my least favorite. Just way too serious for my tastes, to the point when he drops a funny line it just seemed to fall flat. I didn't hate him or anything, but I was glad he didn't do more than 2 films. I liked The Living Daylights better as a film, but liked Dalton as Bond better in License to Kill. He seemed just a bit looser in that film, not so high strung. Sadly we only got to see Lazenby do it once, so I'm not sure what impact over the long term he would have had on the role. But Connery, Moore, Brosnan and Craig each brought unique things to the role and made it their own to some extent. My father was a huge Connery fan. His favorite Bond film was the non-EON film Never Say Never Again (I honestly don't know what he saw in the movie, it was ok, but I have a hard time seeing that as the best, but my father sometimes had weird tastes). On the other hand my stepmother has a bit of a fan crush on Roger Moore. Definitely her favorite. Then I already noted my ex-wife really liked Brosnan. Those were one of the few films I never had to 'convince' her to see with me. Otherwise our film tastes were never really in sync, I suppose one of the reasons, though not the only reason, she's my 'ex'-wife now, LOL :lol:.

But for me, I more or less take it film by film, as opposed to Bond by Bond. :shrug:

If Lazenby hadn't decided to walk away from Bond, Tracy's death would have been the opening scene of Diamonds Are Forever.

Sadly for Lazenby he got some bad advice from his agent. And worse for him, he ended up getting blacklisted and couldn't get a real acting gig for years. I think both sides reconciled years ago, but for a while there was no love lost between the two sides. I sometimes wonder what would have happened if Lazenby stayed on. There might never have been a Roger Moore era and the movies probably would have been much different. Though I have to admit, I can't really say I'd prefer that to have happened. As I noted I loved OHMSS, yet, I also liked a lot of the Moore films and I'm not sure I would have changed any of that. So things ended up working out for 007 I think.

I had read the same thing about her death opening DAF. But, while Tracy isn't actually named, I think it can be assumed the reason he's knocking people around at the start of the film to get to Blofeld is revenge over her murder. Of the pre-Craig films, You Only Live Twice-OHMSS-DAF are probably the closest we get to any sort of Bond trilogy. Each film is still largely standalone, of course, but that's one of the few times in the original films that something carries forward from one film to the next.
 
Even to this day, OHMSS is still overlooked because it's the one with Lazenby and not any of the other popular actors.

It's one of those films that at the time it was not well liked. But it's one where it seems when people go back to look at it a 2nd time they seem to like it more.

You're probably right, while I wasn't around yet when it came out, I imagine his going around doing interviews basically trashing Bond probably didn't help. In addition to his backing out of his EON contract, that probably was also another reason Broccoli basically had him blacklisted for years. Eventually both sides seemed to have reconciled for the most part and Lazenby nowadays seems to be happy with is Bond role and acknowledges he screwed up big time. But at the time you had a perfect storm for rejection. You had the first actor other than Connery to play Bond so it was already an uphill battle with audiences. Then you have that very same actor going around saying he thought Bond's days were over before the film even came out. Not smart. :wtf:

Nowadays it seems people view OHMSS more favorable on a first viewing, like in Steph's case, I think because we've had so many actors that have played Bond it's not at all unusual to see someone else in the role. Also Bond's been around for decades now and new viewers probably aren't even aware of Lazenby's interviews at the time.
 
It's one of those films that at the time it was not well liked. But it's one where it seems when people go back to look at it a 2nd time they seem to like it more.

You're probably right, while I wasn't around yet when it came out, I imagine his going around doing interviews basically trashing Bond probably didn't help. In addition to his backing out of his EON contract, that probably was also another reason Broccoli basically had him blacklisted for years. Eventually both sides seemed to have reconciled for the most part and Lazenby nowadays seems to be happy with is Bond role and acknowledges he screwed up big time. But at the time you had a perfect storm for rejection. You had the first actor other than Connery to play Bond so it was already an uphill battle with audiences. Then you have that very same actor going around saying he thought Bond's days were over before the film even came out. Not smart. :wtf:

Nowadays it seems people view OHMSS more favorable on a first viewing, like in Steph's case, I think because we've had so many actors that have played Bond it's not at all unusual to see someone else in the role. Also Bond's been around for decades now and new viewers probably aren't even aware of Lazenby's interviews at the time.

Telly Savalas is so unappreciated, even by the Bond producers, which implanted that cartoon scar on Christoph Waltz which was a nod to that horrible performance by Donald Pleasance IMO. I couldn't take that Blofeld seriously because the German accent was wretched and he was just... laughable. Savalas, something I wanted from Waltz, played it straight and I felt his presence throughout the movie; he was definitely the immovable object to OO7's unstoppable force and it was refreshing to see the stakes be raised in such a virtual form of Baccarat. Seemed like everyone in the movie is taking life changing risks in this movie spearheaded by Savalas.

Blofeld is too important to the mythos to be handled in a satirical manner; he should've been treated more in the vein of Silva than Donald Pleasance honored by Mike Myers in Austin Powers. With Savalas saying his lines as a cold blooded demented genius made me understand why Bond exists and have to stop monsters like that*.

I agree with you Lazenby was appropriate for James Bond, more than Daniel Craig IMO, and he embodied the character; as I was watching You Only Live Twice Connery looked old and it felt as if he was going through the motions and was probably burned out. Bringing him back for Diamonds was not a good choice and he looked even more weathered. Not a fan of the choice of Moore who I saw as a mis-cast; this man wasn't blessed with a good figure and for some reason his bravado felt posh to me. This maybe the character in the novels to some but I see Bond more as a stone cold killer than a snob.

I'm on different sides of the field goal with you on Timothy Dalton, I think he was excellent in "The Living Daylights" and although he wasn't bad in "Licence to Kill" I thought the movie was simply not a James Bond movie. When I get a chance to watch it the movie doesn't feel like a Bond movie, I don't mind the gore and the violence but I believe a Bond movie needs to take a moment to smell the roses, allow the viewer to take a look at the locales and lush over a place where only a blessed few could ever visit. The best OO7 movies for me have the best sorts of escapism and especially now where Covid is our reality I want to see places I can't go to.

I had issues with some actors playing Bond, but one of them wasn't George Lazenby, he had the looks, the body, and the charm.

*Unfortunately they're people like that in the world, the Wuhan Labs and what they experiment is an example of the evil within us.
 
Savalas, something I wanted from Waltz, played it straight and I felt his presence throughout the movie; he was definitely the immovable object to OO7's unstoppable force and it was refreshing to see the stakes be raised in such a virtual form of Baccarat. Seemed like everyone in the movie is taking life changing risks in this movie spearheaded by Savalas.

Savalas was a commanding presence. He was also a physically imposing figure. If he has to, he can take Bond on one on one. When I think of Blofeld, he's the first one that comes to mind. My least favorite was probably Charles Gray from DAF. Just didn't care for him as Blofeld.

Not a fan of the choice of Moore who I saw as a mis-cast; this man wasn't blessed with a good figure and for some reason his bravado felt posh to me.

I didn't mind Moore. He made the decision to make the role his own. Granted he was a bit too comical at times. But I think that actually helped the Bond series adapt to the 1970s. The way Connery played it probably wouldn't have been received as well in the 1970s. Moore was always good for a quick quip, though he could be deadly when the time came. But the way he played it worked for the 70s, and his Bond movies were good for travel buffs. He was quite the world traveler (esp. in Moonraker, man, he must have had a serious case of jet lag :lol:). I recall reading while they were filming For Your Eyes Only, during the scene where he kicked the bad guys car over the cliff (I forget the character's name off hand) he refused to do the scene as written. He said it was something Connery's Bond would do, not his Bond. Not that he didn't kill, but he wasn't that cold blooded about it. However, he relented and when he saw the entire scene in context with the movie and what was going on at the time, he agreed the scene made sense and he came around. It was one of the few times where you saw Moore's Bond without any trace of humor, just cold blooded killer.

For Timothy Dalton I think they were trying to get more serious again. Moore had been Bond for well over 10 years by then and did the most films so I think they felt the need to go a new direction. Which I get. It's just when Dalton tried his hand at humor, esp. in "The Living Daylights" it just fell flat. It was a bit better in "License to Kill" as he appeared just a bit more relaxed in the role.

I have a friend who feels much like you do about "License to Kill" though. He didn't care for it and hasn't watched it much since it came out. However I encouraged him to give it another look in light of all the films that have come out since. I also think an important scene there, which I admit people can miss if they aren't really tuned into Bond's background, is when Leiter is talking to his new wife about why Bond seemed down. About him being married once before. It would have helped if Leiter explained a bit more other than saying "it was a long time ago" because I think a lot of casual fans might not be thinking about Tracy's tragic murder on their wedding day. Seeing his friend attacked and his new wife murdered on their wedding night, much like how Tracy was murdered, is what set Bond off. He couldn't let it go, which is why he went rogue there. I wish the movie had made that a bit more clear. As a big fan of OHMSS I understood that. But I can understand why some fans might miss that.

I also have to admit I liked Robert Davi is Sanchez. He's another that exudes charisma but he is also equal parts deadly. And it was one of my favorite Q appearances. Q has a much larger role here than usual and you can see despite finding Bond exacerbating, he really cares about Bond and gives him sound advice.

And License to Kill isn't even all that dated. We still deal with drug kingpins to this day and drug lords with huge sway and power over some countries.

So I usually encourage people to give that movie a 2nd look, esp. keeping in mind how Tracy was murdered and how that played into Bond's actions in the film.
 
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Another thing I am looking forward to is the score done by Han Zimmer. He's not my fav composer, John Williams is, but I think he could be a good it for OO7. I thought Thomas Newman's repetitive score for both SkyFall and Spectre were a reflection of the movies made, but Zimmer is a champion of blockbuster movies and I think he's a better, more appropriate fit; his score is on sale the 1st of October, any thoughts on Zimmer and what he may put on the table for the franchise?
 
Another thing I am looking forward to is the score done by Han Zimmer. He's not my fav composer, John Williams is, but I think he could be a good it for OO7. I thought Thomas Newman's repetitive score for both SkyFall and Spectre were a reflection of the movies made, but Zimmer is a champion of blockbuster movies and I think he's a better, more appropriate fit; his score is on sale the 1st of October, any thoughts on Zimmer and what he may put on the table for the franchise?

Zimmer usually does a good job as a composer. He's had many good scores, and when doing sequels he's respectful of the prior music work and finds ways of incorporating that.

I think it will be modern sounding of course. But you'll hear a bit of John Barry in it as well.

David Arnold was pretty good at that balance as well. Barry with a modern twist. Newman was fine. I don't think he lit the world on fire, but he's a reliable guy for scores who'll get the job done. If they kept him for No Time to Die I probably would have been fine with that. But Zimmer is a step up.
 
Zimmer usually does a good job as a composer. He's had many good scores, and when doing sequels he's respectful of the prior music work and finds ways of incorporating that.

I think it will be modern sounding of course. But you'll hear a bit of John Barry in it as well.

David Arnold was pretty good at that balance as well. Barry with a modern twist. Newman was fine. I don't think he lit the world on fire, but he's a reliable guy for scores who'll get the job done. If they kept him for No Time to Die I probably would have been fine with that. But Zimmer is a step up.
Agreed 100%. But then I'm also a big fan of Zimmer's work (especially his works with Nolan films).

On a completely off-topic note, Damian, I love your Urko signature. I just finished watching the Planet of the Apes series for the first time and I was really impressed how good it was. And not just because of Mark Lenard!
 
Agreed 100%. But then I'm also a big fan of Zimmer's work (especially his works with Nolan films).

On a completely off-topic note, Damian, I love your Urko signature. I just finished watching the Planet of the Apes series for the first time and I was really impressed how good it was. And not just because of Mark Lenard!
Thanks. A shame it ended too soon. Lenard was great. I loved one scene where one of his gorillas said he didn't see the fugitives in the cart and Urko in frustration said " what'd you expect to do? Get up and wave at you." And Lenard has a powerful voice that worked well for the role.

It doesn't fit perfectly with the films, but since it's almost a thousand years earlier most discrepancies could probably be attributed to that. The abcense of the Lawgiver is probably the biggest deal.
 
Zimmer usually does a good job as a composer. He's had many good scores, and when doing sequels he's respectful of the prior music work and finds ways of incorporating that.

I think it will be modern sounding of course. But you'll hear a bit of John Barry in it as well.

David Arnold was pretty good at that balance as well. Barry with a modern twist. Newman was fine. I don't think he lit the world on fire, but he's a reliable guy for scores who'll get the job done. If they kept him for No Time to Die I probably would have been fine with that. But Zimmer is a step up.
David Arnold was a great find and I wish he was still composing. His premiere in Tomorrow Never Dies was sensational despite what I thought about Brosnan's (The World is Not Enough) and Craig's (Quantum of Solace) bad movies, David Arnold produced winners for the score. I miss him and hope he's hired for another Bond outing.
 
David Arnold was a great find and I wish he was still composing. His premiere in Tomorrow Never Dies was sensational despite what I thought about Brosnan's (The World is Not Enough) and Craig's (Quantum of Solace) bad movies, David Arnold produced winners for the score. I miss him and hope he's hired for another Bond outing.
Yeah, I was a bit bummed he wasn't retained for Skyfall. He was basically Barry's hand picked successor (dismissing Cerra's forgettable score for Goldeneye). All his Bond scores were great. They made up some lame excuse about Arnold being busy, which he disputed. The real deal was Newman worked with the director in the past and he never worked with Arnold. Which I get. Sometimes directors have a composer they like to work with. And Newman was fine. I can't complain. He just didn't bring anything new to the table. I had hoped Arnold might return here but Zimmer is definitely a good hire I think.
 
Yes, and because of his resume I think the gig is Zimmer's now until he wishes to leave it. This is an indication the next OO7 director will be Christopher Nolan... taking Idris Elba or a person of color to a new era in the world of James Bond.
 
I wasn't a big fan of David Arnold's scores. Too pastiche. But his last score was arguably his best where it was more thematically appropriate for the film. Arnold committed five scores in a span of 11 years. That's quite an achievement, but I don't want a single composer appointed for many years down the road like that again. That's why I was excited for both Newman and Zimmer, because I love seeing new composers get a crack at Bond, and I hope to see that continue with more composers in the future.
 
Yes, and because of his resume I think the gig is Zimmer's now until he wishes to leave it. This is an indication the next OO7 director will be Christopher Nolan... taking Idris Elba or a person of color to a new era in the world of James Bond.

I could see them going for Elba and taking that opportunity to officially make James Bond a code name from now on. Especially if they kill off Craig's Bond.
 
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