I think it might be time for the Chopping Broccolis to give it up.
News Daniel Craig signs up for Bond 25, Christopher Nolan in talks to direct
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*Ron Howard waits nervously by the phone*
If this saves us from a pointlessly time-scrambled Bond flick, I'm all for it.
Well... shit. I was really looking forward to seeing Boyle's take on Bond.
A director I'd REALLY like to see take on Bond (more than Nolan) is Edgar Wright. He can handle action and car chases exceptionally well. But, like Boyle, I could see him clashing with Broccoli and Wilson.
If we're going for a yes man director, I wouldn't complain if they brought Martin Campbell back to finish off the Craig era.
(Now, if we could only get someone OTHER than John Logan, Neal Purvis or Robert Wade from writing the script!
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A director I'd REALLY like to see take on Bond (more than Nolan) is Edgar Wright. He can handle action and car chases exceptionally well. But, like Boyle, I could see him clashing with Broccoli and Wilson.
If we're going for a yes man director, I wouldn't complain if they brought Martin Campbell back to finish off the Craig era.
(Now, if we could only get someone OTHER than John Logan, Neal Purvis or Robert Wade from writing the script!
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But Martin Campbell is interested in prepping new Bond talent not establishing ones.
Turd Ferguson, Purvis and Wade are two terrible writers. I read their version of Casino Royale and it was awful, bringing in every Connery pun in the piece. It was fanwankery at it's best. Paul Haggis should deserve all of the credit for that film because his script was shot. I'm guessing P and W got credit because of a union stipulation or something.
Turd Ferguson, Purvis and Wade are two terrible writers. I read their version of Casino Royale and it was awful, bringing in every Connery pun in the piece. It was fanwankery at it's best. Paul Haggis should deserve all of the credit for that film because his script was shot. I'm guessing P and W got credit because of a union stipulation or something.
Denis Villeneuve would be an interesting pick for director too, but, again, he's not a yes man.
Writing-wise, I'd love to see what Taylor Sheridan (Sicario) would do with a Bond film. Hell, get Sheridan, Villeneuve and throw in Emily Blunt as the Bond girl for a Sicario reunion!
Writing-wise, I'd love to see what Taylor Sheridan (Sicario) would do with a Bond film. Hell, get Sheridan, Villeneuve and throw in Emily Blunt as the Bond girl for a Sicario reunion!
I don't know. At this point I think Broccoli and Wilson should cut ties with Craig and start a new.
I wonder if the audience will tolerate a casting change from a Bond that was a near-perfect, believable...threatening presence which was refreshing after the hiccup between Dalton and Craig AKA Brosnan...
Bond 25 has been pushed back to no earlier than late 2020.
By that point, it'll be five years since "Spectre". For some perspective, even if 25 were released today, Craig would have already broken Roger Moore's record of years as official Bond (Moore was from 1973 - 1985, Craig from 2005 - ...), but he's still way short of Moore's record on number of Bond movies (seven).
By that point, it'll be five years since "Spectre". For some perspective, even if 25 were released today, Craig would have already broken Roger Moore's record of years as official Bond (Moore was from 1973 - 1985, Craig from 2005 - ...), but he's still way short of Moore's record on number of Bond movies (seven).
I wonder whether Bond should be a period piece so they could go back to the flavor of the books and earlier films. I liked Skyfall, I thought it was one of best Bonds in years, but for me, Bond has lost much of its charm. Dr. No, From Russia With Love, The Spy Who Loved Me, For Your Eyes Only, Octopussy, and License To Kill are my favorite Bond films. Bond is more of a flesh and blood character in those films and the narratives in their scripts are tight.
I don't know. I think it just might be time to hang it up. They've had a long run. But they seem to be completely unwilling to innovate and modernize the character, let alone take any kind of creative risk. The Craig films have been awful. All of them. And only represent the worst 1950s aspects of the character with none of the good.
A delay, especially a year one, would be disastrous at the best of times, but it's not the best way of kicking off a new relationship with a distributor. There would be quite likely some pretty hefty financial penalties built into that contract for missing the delivery date. Not to mention secondary issues like Craig's contract would have a date built in by which filming has to start before it becomes void (hopefully there will be a good margin of error in there, but that depends on how long this drags out) and all the people lower down the totem pole who thought they'd got a good reliable job in the run up to Christmas.
If it's pushed into the back half 2020... I'd be fine with Craig stepping aside. Though I think he does have one more in him, a five year gap means another full on relaunch. And then another full on relaunch with the new actor after that. In the same way I don't think it would have been good for Timothy Dalton to have stayed on and revived the franchise with Goldeneye and then leaving, I think a whole new start might be for the best.
Plus, Craig would comfortably have the best final film out of any of the ones who've done more than one if SPECTRE was the end, and a pretty decent last scene as well. I know that will be damning with faint praise to most, but perhaps ending there would be better than another "Ohhh ahhhhh that's not the soap"?
If it's pushed into the back half 2020... I'd be fine with Craig stepping aside. Though I think he does have one more in him, a five year gap means another full on relaunch. And then another full on relaunch with the new actor after that. In the same way I don't think it would have been good for Timothy Dalton to have stayed on and revived the franchise with Goldeneye and then leaving, I think a whole new start might be for the best.
Plus, Craig would comfortably have the best final film out of any of the ones who've done more than one if SPECTRE was the end, and a pretty decent last scene as well. I know that will be damning with faint praise to most, but perhaps ending there would be better than another "Ohhh ahhhhh that's not the soap"?
I'm fine with a yes man (or woman) if it meant having a decent Bond film. Mendes has a keen eye for visuals, the last two movies were beautiful to look at, but, story wise, i felt they were terrible. Nonsensical--even by Bond standards.
The last good Bond film was Casino Royale... bring back Martin Campbell.
The last good Bond film was Casino Royale... bring back Martin Campbell.
Brosnan was a great Bond.
I resisted Craig for a long time, and still do to a large extent. The first five actors were all playing recognizable variants of the same character -- a man of charm and sophistication, who clearly gorged himself on life's pleasures -- and I just couldn't make Craig's miserable, monosyllabic, Neanderthaloid thug track with them.
But I recently rewatched the entire Eon series on Blu-ray, and I finally realized I should accept what the films were explicitly telling me: that Craig isn't playing the same character I loved through those first 20 movies. And I found I could take more enjoyment from Craig's films once I stopped trying to fit his scowling block head through that smoothly incompatible hole.
That would be fantastic. I would accept a reboot if that's the direction the franchise takes--at least on a temporary basis. The only problem is not apeing Bond as produced in the Connery years, but being a real mirror of the times.
...great when he left the series...
Please....tell us how you really feel.
I thought Craig was a reflection of the brutality of the real world--which made his Bond relevant in this era. The days of the stiff "I'm trying to be charming, but its not coming off that way because its forced" Bond in the vein of Moore (or most of his run) or Brosnan had to be brushed aside, if the character is to be relevant to today's audiences.
See, this is where you and I will always fundamentally differ. I think archetypal characters like Bond and (another frequent point of disagreement) Superman are always relevant because of the unique places they hold in our popular culture and the singular ways they speak to our imaginations. Trying self-consciously to force them to be "realistic" and "relevant" is not only unnecessary, it misses the point of what gives them their magic as characters in the first place.
As much as I would be interested in a period Bond franchise, I think that would be box office mistake. Except for Indiana Jones and the first Fraser Mummy, have there been a successful action franchise? Has there been a successful spy/thriller franchise? While I enjoyed Man From Uncle, I was in the minority.
EON won’t do a period Bond. They will always set it in the present and find ways to make him relevant. Be it “more like Bourne” or something else.
EON won’t do a period Bond. They will always set it in the present and find ways to make him relevant. Be it “more like Bourne” or something else.
I can't help feeling they've squandered perhaps the best Bond ever after the near perfection of Casino Royale. If Craig does do one more, I hope it does him justice.
I don't really have anyone in mind to replace Boyle, I just hope whoever gets it does better than the last few...
I don't really have anyone in mind to replace Boyle, I just hope whoever gets it does better than the last few...
I'm still struggling to understand how Brosnan was a great Bond, when his leading ladies had to share a lot of the heavy lifting to save his movies. He was anything but OO7. Brosnan is the only Bond where I felt appeared small in every outing. He even admits this in an article on how he blew it and he was right.
Daniel Craig, despite his looks, was a return to form in my opinion; I felt uneasy with him but I knew this was type of man who would and could save the day. I had that feeling with Connery, Lazenby, and Dalton. There were 3 films I thought Moore was out of character of his version of OO7 and I felt uneasy was "The Man with the Golden Gun", "For Your Eyes Only", and "The Spy who Loved Me".
This is true. Casino Royale was Craig's best outing as OO7, I thought the rest were horrible but I thought Spectre was going for something but it was never reached.