Exactly, it's just allowed to happen. Calling it expected is how it slowly becomes acceptable.
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Jack spends too much of his time hanging out with white supremecists. You can be banned for the most mundane of swearing, or joking usernames that don't contain hate speech. But you can be a nazi and get your blue tick quite easily.
So it's no wonder hate filled morons flock to it and bully anyone else off of it.
Nothing about it is okay, "to be expected" or tolerable when it's now interfering with the ability of anyone to just use the platform or contact their fanbase etc
Expecting something to happen, isn't the same thing as allowing it. It's just having a basic grasp of the realities of human nature and mob mentality.
For example, anyone that's worked the door at a busy nightclub knows that at some point on a Saturday night, some stupid bugger is going to do what stupid buggers always do in nightclubs on a Saturday night. It's expected...but that doesn't mean you don't then throw him out on his arse. Of course, roll on down the line to the folks stuck working in casualty on a Saturday night and it's expected that some stupid bugger (probably the same one) is going to show up in need of stitches.
You get a big enough crowd of people together (and there's no bigger "crowd of people" in history than social media) and the chances of someone acting the fool goes up. Both because law of averages and because such people love an audience. The important part is how it's then dealt with and *that's* where the curators of social media are currently failing.
Anyway, I'm almost afraid to ask, but what are the chattering hordes pissed off about this time? That a lesbian has been cast in the role of a character who is also a lesbian, or that lesbians even exist in general? (Probably the latter, I'm guessing.)
For example, anyone that's worked the door at a busy nightclub knows that at some point on a Saturday night, some stupid bugger is going to do what stupid buggers always do in nightclubs on a Saturday night. It's expected...but that doesn't mean you don't then throw him out on his arse. Of course, roll on down the line to the folks stuck working in casualty on a Saturday night and it's expected that some stupid bugger (probably the same one) is going to show up in need of stitches.
You get a big enough crowd of people together (and there's no bigger "crowd of people" in history than social media) and the chances of someone acting the fool goes up. Both because law of averages and because such people love an audience. The important part is how it's then dealt with and *that's* where the curators of social media are currently failing.
Anyway, I'm almost afraid to ask, but what are the chattering hordes pissed off about this time? That a lesbian has been cast in the role of a character who is also a lesbian, or that lesbians even exist in general? (Probably the latter, I'm guessing.)
The fact that the character is a lesbian, or that a woman superhero is getting a show largely devoid of the male counterpart instead of 'knowing their place' as a sidekick, being played by a genderfluid queer tattooed actor, I mean honestly, take your pick of what had them foaming at the mouth first.
I gather there are some people complaining because they thought Rose wasn't a lesbian and were upset about that. So in some cases it's hate speech, but in others it's just kneejerk anger and not bothering to find things out before jumping to conclusions. Today's Internet culture widely lacks two major things: Knowing how to get the facts before jumping to conclusions, and knowing how to manage anger. Those seem to be widespread problems regardless of political ideology. Although of course it's still the bigots who do the most harm, because they actively embrace and weaponize those things.
It wasn't ignorant fans who didn't know what her sexuality was who pushed Ruby off Twitter; it was people who knew her sexuality but didn't think she was "lesbian enough" for the role of Batwoman.
Why do people even use twitter? Does it bring anything positive to this world that can't be done via any other normal means?
I've never used it and I think my life is pretty good.
I've never used it and I think my life is pretty good.
Certain people like having followers that....follow what they do. It makes the fans feel like they have a connection to the stars or authors or scientist.
Can't they follow a much safer blog or something that they can control the comments on, something less narcissistic?
OT: but there are aspects of Twitter I enjoy. Engaging with authors. Finding out about deals. Shows. Books. Engaging with friends. So, that part is good and things that wouldn’t happen in real life. I like it better than Facebook, to be honest.
But like Facebook, it can be a hive of scum and villainy. It can be a time suck.
It’s how you use it, not necessarily the thing it self. It would, of course, be a million times better with out the Nazis and the trolls. Much like life.
Edited to add: that said, I would hate to be famous and on Twitter. That sounds terrible.
When did fandoms become so toxic?
Christ, seems like with every bit of casting news with a big property people have to become hateful monsters and make actors lives miserable.
I've no allusions of Batwoman, but I like Ruby Rose and think she'll do well with what little I know about the character.
Not Lesbian enough? What does that even mean?
Christ, seems like with every bit of casting news with a big property people have to become hateful monsters and make actors lives miserable.
I've no allusions of Batwoman, but I like Ruby Rose and think she'll do well with what little I know about the character.
Not Lesbian enough? What does that even mean?
About the same time that politics and society as a whole did. It's all interconnected.
I would also add when nerd culture became popular and more people got interested. The phrase “fake geek girl” is particularly nasty. Suddenly geeks felt entitled to decide who was and wasn’t actually allowed to like something.
Yep. Around 2001-2004 when Lord of the Rings, Harry Potter, Lost, Halo, Raimi's Spider-Man and Singer's X-Men all mainstreamed geeky stuff. Instead of going "Oh, shit! The stuff I love is cool now, and Hollywood's actually spending lots of money to make way more of the stuff I love than they ever have before!" a bunch of straight white male geeks just went "Fuck you!! This is mine!!!"
And they've been harassing women and minorities off Twitter ever since. The bullied have become the bullies. And also white supremacists. Honestly, I look at GamerGate as ground zero in the whole Brexit/Trump rise of the neo-Nazis thing. All of a sudden, a shit ton of fellow commenters on geeky websites that weren't already toxic like Ain't It Cool News were suddenly posting hateful bigoted bullshit, because "If Adam Baldwin can say it without issuing an apology why can't I?"
GamerGate seems like a good "starting point" for the particular level of bile and disgustingness we have now.
So apparently the hate that drove her off Twitter actually came from SJWs.
Supposedly Ruby Rose isn't butch Lesbian enough to be Batwoman, who some Lesbian fans see being less feminine in appearance.
And apparently she isn't Jewish, which upsets some people.
I figured most superhero fans wouldn't care about CW's Batwoman either way. It's just another low budget CW soap on the network, that will probably be mediocre like all their other shows. If you're gonna roll out LGBT heroes in a way that won't polarize and divide people, this is the network and way to do it.
However, understandably so, some lesbians seem very attached and emotionally invested in this Batwoman character and see the Ruby Rose casting as below their standards.
Honestly, I think it goes back farther than that, to Rush Limbaugh and Ann Coulter and other conservative pundits who embraced rage and bullying and meanness as qualities to be celebrated. They raised a whole generation of American conservatives to believe it was okay to be mean-spirited and bullying, to reject facts they didn't like, to see debate as out-shouting and demonizing the opposition rather than out-reasoning them, etc. And of course their rhetoric was loaded with dogwhistle racism, homophobia, and religious intolerance, which gave their successors license to be even more overt about their hate.
It existed and was bad for a long time, sure, but it seems like fairly recently people have been more emboldened to express it and less shameful to do so. (Things since the 2016 election cycle haven't helped either.)
When thinking of an "even" that seemed to kick off this more extreme vocal hatred, Gamergate comes strongest to mind. Yeah, there was stuff before that, but since Gamergate it seems more and more bile and hatred has been expressed to the point of driving celebrities off Social Media and to even turn down roles. (Like ScarJo turning down a role playing a Transman recently.)
When thinking of an "even" that seemed to kick off this more extreme vocal hatred, Gamergate comes strongest to mind. Yeah, there was stuff before that, but since Gamergate it seems more and more bile and hatred has been expressed to the point of driving celebrities off Social Media and to even turn down roles. (Like ScarJo turning down a role playing a Transman recently.)