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CW network working on Batwoman series

N-121973 said:
I wonder if Batwoman is being developed as a replacement for one of the existing shows (Arrow?) or will we be seeing a five-way crossover in the 2019/20 season?
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We were discussing the CW shows at the comic shop last night and this point came up.
Arrow S7
Flash S5
Legends S4
Supergirl S4
Black Lightning S2

Arrow is getting into that sweet spot where if they plan accordingly can end strong. Our discussion was that most sci/fi and comic shows that have lasting impact run 6-8 seasons. Once a show starts getting lengthy(again comic/sci-fi/fantasy) it almost becomes a parody. Our examples were Supernatural, Smallville, Stargage SG*1 and X-Files of went past their prime. Ended strong and well, ST:TNG, ST: DS9, nuBSG, Fringe(5 seasons) and likely Game of Thrones.

Perhaps they stagger or move a show into summer until they end Arrow making Flash the senior show with a few seasons left till they end that at S7/8. In theory if interest stays high as new concepts are put forth, like Batwoman, they could sustain this for some time. I think if he's done well Constantine being spun back into a solo might have interest. Especially if Supernatural ever ends, it'd be a thematic replacement.

Our discussion of possible new characters we'd like to see introduced or explored keeping with B/C list characters were:
Question - either version
Captain Atom - military angle allows cosmic possibilities, f/x similar to Steel
Swamp Thing - ecology/nature themes f/x could be similar to Ragman
Resurrection Man - outlier due to the varied tones and themes it could explore. Someone said "he's too out there" but most agreed at this point nothing is off the table.
Zatanna - magic based show w/guests Constantine, Blue Devil, Deadman etc from time to time.

Booster Gold was ruled out being too similar in concept to Legends but he's a favorite in that group.
 
Reverend said:
It's not a big deal though. Comic books are full of examples like this--hell, the only reason Mar-Vell and by extension, Carol Danvers even exists is because of of an editorial edict that (very) basically went "let's make a character called Captain Marvel so DC can't use it anymore!" intended spirit of the character.
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Just to nitpick: Marvel seized the trademark when Fawcett let it lapse, not DC. At that point, DC had never published Captain Marvel, just sued to keep Fawcett from publishing him, so the name was up for grabs. Marvel grabbed it because, well, "Marvel."

(There was also another Captain Marvel, between the Fawcett and Marvel versions, published by a minor, now-defunct comics company, but he's just a footnote these days.)

Captain Marvel (the original Big Red Cheese) would not become a DC character until some years later.
 
As long as they change the way there writing on most of the CW shows, I mean.. Actually have lets say a 5-7 year arc atleast mapped out, not like the 1 year arc, then see what happens, I'll be happy to watch it.

Also, seen that there was an open casting call, wanting a lesibian, which is good, but open to any race.. uhh. please no.. Now before you blast me, hear me out.
She's a Red Head! Speaking in minority terms, thats quite a small minority. and after another red head was diversity cast. (Jimmy Olsen) All I'm asking, Get a true pale red head in for once, that was a red head in the comics please.

Now, if it is diversity cast, i'll still watch it no problem if its a good story, just to me, red heads are getting the short changed.

And I'll agree with Christopher, Asians havent been to represented to well in atleast superhero tv. had a couple on arrow. Would be nice for Cassadra Cain show up on Batwoman!
 
Greg Cox said:
Just to nitpick: Marvel seized the trademark when Fawcett let it lapse, not DC. At that point, DC had never published Captain Marvel, just sued to keep Fawcett from publishing him, so the name was up for grabs. Marvel grabbed it because, well, "Marvel."

(There was also another Captain Marvel, between the Fawcett and Marvel versions, published by a minor, now-defunct comics company, but he's just a footnote these days.)

Captain Marvel (the original Big Red Cheese) would not become a DC character until some years later.
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Oh I know, I just didn't feel like laying the whole thing out right then and there. Hence prefacing it with the phrase "(very) basically". ;)
 
Greg Cox said:
For what it's worth, she's apparently getting her own YA novel.

https://io9.gizmodo.com/dc-announces-several-new-young-adult-books-including-a-1827722930
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I think there's also so unconfirmed rumours that she'll be the focus of the upcoming Harley Quinn movie, not as Batgirl but as prepubescent assassin Cass, a la X-23 in 'Logan'.
I mean it's not ideal and it's WB/DC so there's a more than even chance they'll make a hash of it, but I'll take it!

ETA: @dodge beat me to it! ;)
 
Captain Craig said:
Arrow is getting into that sweet spot where if they plan accordingly can end strong. Our discussion was that most sci/fi and comic shows that have lasting impact run 6-8 seasons. Once a show starts getting lengthy(again comic/sci-fi/fantasy) it almost becomes a parody. Our examples were Supernatural, Smallville, Stargage SG*1 and X-Files of went past their prime. Ended strong and well, ST:TNG, ST: DS9, nuBSG, Fringe(5 seasons) and likely Game of Thrones.
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Its weird you say that, because SG-1 Seasons 8-10 and Smallville 8-10 are my favorite seasons of those shows :lol:
 
I feel that if a story needs 8+ seasons to tell a story, go for it. I'm a fan of a planed series arc ala B5 and star wars rebels. You have a begining, middle, and end. That and what I liked about B5 was, they paid off plot points in a few episodes, then set new ones, not hang on to one for the whole season.
But if your doing story of the week like Tng or even Stargate Sg1 ( to a point, they had an arc but wasn't "firm") it can last as long as you have stories.
NuBsg, for me tanked after S2 when they jumped the shark with all the human cylons... Kinda wish we never had NuBsg because then we wouldn't have these "Dark and angry" series.. thats what killed Stargate Universe.. didn't care a whit what happened to to the crew.. I mean.. space the lot, start over :)
 
valkyrie013 said:
Kinda wish we never had NuBsg because then we wouldn't have these "Dark and angry" series.. thats what killed Stargate Universe..
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I never really felt that the darker tone of SGU was merely an imitation of BSG, at least not on the creators' behalf. Rather, it seemed to me that, after a dozen years of doing Stargate one way, they wanted to stretch themselves creatively and try something different, more adult, more hard-SF. I suspect they would've done something similar even if BSG hadn't existed as a precedent, just because few creators are content to stay in a rut forever.
 
Here's a CW Arrowverse/Black Lightning sizzle reel with a tease for the Batwoman crossover:

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The fact that it features a couple of Supergirl's implied references to Batman and Gotham makes me hopeful that Batwoman will exist on Earth-38, although it could just be that those are the only mentions they have available, other than Oliver's name drop of Bruce Wayne, which wouldn't work here.
 
valkyrie013 said:
NuBsg, for me tanked after S2 when they jumped the shark with all the human cylons...
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I'm not sure what you mean by this, they introduced the human Cylons back in the miniseries. They were one of the main focuses of the entire series literally going all the way back to the first couple minutes.
 
JD said:
I'm not sure what you mean by this, they introduced the human Cylons back in the miniseries. They were one of the main focuses of the entire series literally going all the way back to the first couple minutes.
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I think he means the point where half the cast turned out to have been Cylons the whole time. While I don't agree that's where the show lost it's way (though it my have been symptomatic of later issues) I can certainly understand someone not digging it. I mean it did start to feel a little arbitrary at times.
 
I think BSG lost its way when "Who's the next secret Cylon?" became the primary driving question. To me, that was the least interesting question. And it was silly when they did the New Caprica arc and had all the Cylons revealed openly, but it was only the seven models that had previously been revealed to the audience, which required coming up with the clumsy "Final Five" retcon to explain the contrivance, and so on. The whole thing had the feel of making stuff up as they went.
 
Captain Craig said:
We were discussing the CW shows at the comic shop last night and this point came up.
Arrow S7
Flash S5
Legends S4
Supergirl S4
Black Lightning S2

Arrow is getting into that sweet spot where if they plan accordingly can end strong. Our discussion was that most sci/fi and comic shows that have lasting impact run 6-8 seasons. Once a show starts getting lengthy(again comic/sci-fi/fantasy) it almost becomes a parody. Our examples were Supernatural, Smallville, Stargage SG*1 and X-Files of went past their prime. Ended strong and well, ST:TNG, ST: DS9, nuBSG, Fringe(5 seasons) and likely Game of Thrones.

Perhaps they stagger or move a show into summer until they end Arrow making Flash the senior show with a few seasons left till they end that at S7/8. In theory if interest stays high as new concepts are put forth, like Batwoman, they could sustain this for some time. I think if he's done well Constantine being spun back into a solo might have interest. Especially if Supernatural ever ends, it'd be a thematic replacement.
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You start going past 7 seasons and you wind up with actors that have left and pointless episodes like an all animated episode.

Felicity- my neighbor just gave me two tickets to visit a Hollywood set!

Arrow-oh no. We’re in a cartoon world!

Or a singing episode. Which sort of happened in the flash
 
Samurai8472 said:
You start going past 7 seasons and you wind up with actors that have left and pointless episodes like an all animated episode.
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We've already had two entire Arrowverse series that were animated, Vixen and Freedom Fighters: The Ray. (The animated Constantine webseries is apparently in the Justice League Dark continuity rather than the Arrowverse as originally expected.)
 
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