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CW network working on Batwoman series

They also worked together briefly as The Question and Batwoman during One Year Later, however they were seperated during Final Crisis and Huntress replaced Batwoman as Renee's field partner for that arc.

Any further development of their partnership was shortcircuited by much of Renee's history being removed by Flashpoint/New 52 with Maggie Sawyer taking her place as Kate's on-again off-again girlfriend.

The Earth-38 Maggie Sawyer could potentially be viewed as something of a hybrid of Renee and Maggie as she has Maggie's role of Superman Family ally but Renee's ethnicity and status as a junior member of the police force (Comics!Renee and E38!Maggie are Detectives whereas Comics!Maggie has always been at least a Captain and was briefly GCPD Commissioner).
 
DigificWriter said:
Supergirl was developed specifically with Superman existing but largely uninvolved; based on the synopsis blurb, this sounds like it's been developed specifically without Batman existing at all.
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Unless Batwoman is set on yet another alternate Earth I don't see Batman not existing. There have been numerous nods to the Caped Crusader on Supergirl and one or two on Arrow, and they've been gender-specific, so its not like they were referring to Batwoman rather than Batman. I'm guessing that the crossover will serve as a 'backdoor pilot' much like the two-part season two Arrow episode with Barry Allen served as a backdoor pilot to the Flash.
 
^Supergirl's reference was gender-neutral, and Bruce Wayne can exist without Batman existing.

Supergirl's synopsis specifically and directly referenced Superman's existence; the synopsis for this Batwoman series deliberately doesn't reference Batman, and there would ne no reason for it to not reference the character if he was intended to exist in its universe.
 
DigificWriter said:
Because Kate is tied to him by both blood and legacy just as Kara is to Clark.
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Not really, Bruce (and Batman) aren't nearly as relevant to Kate's origin story.
And since the current synopsis isn't mentioning characters that will be on the show, why would it mention the one that almost surely won't be. :shrug:
 
Can't women superheroes have lives that aren't dependent on what their male counterparts are doing?

No, sorry, wait, forgot what demographic I was asking.
 
dodge said:
The current synopsis isn't mentioning characters that will be on the show, why would it mention the one that almost surely won't be. :shrug:
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To give a sense of the universe in which the series exists.

Supergirl's initial synopsis didn't tell us anything about the other characters involved, but it did mention Kara's "famous cousin" because the developers wanted to make it perfectly clear that Kara and Clark existed in the same universe.

Born on the planet Krypton, Kara Zor-el escaped amid its destruction years ago. Since arriving on Earth, she’s been hiding the powers she shares with her famous cousin. But now at age 24, she decides to embrace her superhuman abilities and be the hero she was always meant to be.
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IMO the single biggest mistake SG ever did was involve Clark. Even going back to when the show was in early development I said they should have kept him completely out of it, or at least rewrite the intro to where he's still an infant when Kara gets to Earth.

But the problem is you have the two conflicting sides: on the one hand, there's the ever-present comic book trope of Why isn't the other person helping with this world-ending crisis?

Ollie: "We could sure use Barry right now!"
--Barry swoops in to save the day.

Ollie: "We could sure use Barry right now!"
Felicity: "Sorry, Oliver, but Grant is busy this week."

SG has already had similar situations.

But then, on the other hand, the show has had this lingering "What would Clark do?" dagger hanging over its head. This was especially true with those silly pms during the first season. Not only did it make Kara look week, it was a pretty blatant example of I need a man to help me. Hell, at one point, I thought she was going to text him to superspeed over and help her put her cape on.

This was worsened by having its actual introduction be helping her with something (or at least something very similar) we've seen him do on his own countless times over the years. And, at least as far as I can remember, there was never a moment where Alex said something like "Oh, Kara is in Metropolis helping Clark stop the Whatchamacallit."

If neither Bruce Wayne nor Batman is every mentioned on this show, I'm 100% sure it will be much better for it.
 
CorporalClegg said:
IMO the single biggest mistake SG ever did was involve Clark.
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I can't agree with that, in fact I think that would have been worse.
That's basically saying that there can't be women heroes if there's men heroes around because men will "naturally" do all the work.

The example you used, the Arrow/Flash thing, never gets brought up. Even though Flash could solve all of Ollie's villain problems in a jiffy, nobody ever wonders "What would Flash do? Why doesn't he swoop in and help?" while Supergirl/Superman gets brought up all the time.

Literally the only difference there is Green Arrow is a guy so of course he can handle things on his own.

That's sexism, pure and simple, and the solution isn't to completely isolate women from any possible men who could help. The solution is for men in the real world to get it through their thick skulls that those men in the fictional world have more faith in women heroes and believe they can handle it themselves just like they were any other male hero who "naturally" doesn't need help.
 
Kemaiku said:
She's called Batgirl. The title alone will be more than enough for 99.9% of people.
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To be clear, Batgirl and Batwoman are different characters in the comics. Batgirl is Commissioner Gordon's daughter, as seen in the old 1960s tv show. Batwoman is Bruce Wayne's cousin, a former West Point cadet who was kicked out of the military because of "Don't ask, don't tell" and found a new purpose fighting crime in Gotham City. (They'll probably have to tweak that origin a bit, due to the passing of time.)

On other points of comics lore:

Bruce and Kate do know each other's secret identities these days, but have a kinda prickly relationship since Kate regards Batman as a peer rather than a mentor. She's not one of his proteges like Nightwing, Robin, Batgirl, etc.

Renee and Kate were definitely an item back in the day. Not sure if that's still in continuity, though.

And did I mention that their love story can be found in my novelization of "52"?
 
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