Shouldn't that be "skints."
I think you mean snikts.
And this is an outrage, I think all our evil shadowy government agencies should be Canadian from now on.
Critics take swips at WOLVERINE:ORIGINS
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I think you mean snikts.
And this is an outrage, I think all our evil shadowy government agencies should be Canadian from now on.
Since James MacDonald Hudson was "Weapon Alpha" if they're going to suddenly make these numbers, shouldn't Wolverine have been "Weapon Chi" and thus the 22nd project for the 22nd letter of the Greek alphabet?
Wolverine, anything having to do with James Howlett, the Weapon program and all is FUBAR anyway.
I'd never surprised anything having to do with Alpha Flight would be excised for a Wolverine "origin" motion picture.
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I prefer the Weapon X miniseries by Barry Windsor Smith as the definitive origin...that and only that.
It's perfection.
I also hate the bone claws.
It's perfection.
I also hate the bone claws.
Is the problem that the "bone claws" thing that it retconned a popular story that came before? Or is it the simple concept of "bone claws"?
Because if it's the latter why is that retarded, and people shooting ice from their hands, having blue skin and teleporting around, and sprouting wings and flying which would be physically impossible, perfectly fine?
Because if it's the latter why is that retarded, and people shooting ice from their hands, having blue skin and teleporting around, and sprouting wings and flying which would be physically impossible, perfectly fine?
I haven't seen the movie, but they apparently failed to consult anyone who knows anything about Canadian history.
The Northwest Territories, Canada, in 1840. Yeah, before Canada was founded, and well before there really WAS anything of note in the NWT.
The bone claws were OK I guess. It made sense I suppose. I liked the revelation that the properties of adamantium some how stopped his natural mutation. The more time he went without it, the more and more feral and animal-like he became. The problem was was that it went on for far, far too long.
The fact that we got the bone claws to begin with proved what a dumbass he is. You mess with the guy who can rip out your metal skeleton time and time again, well sooner or later you're going to royally piss him off one too many times and he's going to do just that.
The fact that we got the bone claws to begin with proved what a dumbass he is. You mess with the guy who can rip out your metal skeleton time and time again, well sooner or later you're going to royally piss him off one too many times and he's going to do just that.
Bone claws are obviously no more impractical than commanding the elements or teleporting. In fact, bone claws may be one of the more plausible mutations.
To me, it takes something away from the character. I prefer the notion that prior to this, Logan was just a long-lived guy via his healing factor - the virtue of which allowed the Weapon X experiments to turn him into an indestructible killing weapon. To me, having the claws there from the start makes the character less tragic in a way, and lessens the impact of what the adamantium process did to him.
So in my case, it's just preference.
Oh I see. Canadian.
Which looks like New Zealand for some reason.
Which looks like New Zealand for some reason.
It's not the concept. It's just that the claws were always a Weapon X addition to Logan. But when Marvel got the bright idea that they wanted Magneto to rip the adamantium out of Wolverine, they thought...*GASP*...Wolverine won't have claws, and Wolverine without claws won't be Wolverine to the fans! (Wrong. Good writing could have made it work...something Marvel was lacking then. Deadpool, anyone? *snicker*) So they retconned the bone claws so Magneto could do his damage, but we could still have the only thing Marvel thought people liked about Wolvie.
It's basically all sucked since then. Dipshits.Thing is, the x-rays in X-Men clearly show that his claws are mechanical additions. So they fucked that up.
I always really liked Logan's reaction in flashback during the climax of X2 where he looked at his adamantium claws, and screamed in vicious terror. Like he was being built as this monster, and from what I gathered in the first two X-Men movies (since the third stopped touching on his origin and backstory), is that the Weapon X experiment really transformed Logan into "Wolverine".
However, having caved (I have no morals) and seen the workprint, the bone claws don't really add much to that idea, in fact, it takes away from it. The addition of the adamantium really doesn't change Logan per se.; it just makes him more unstoppable and stronger. The psychological impact is gone, which was very much alluded to in X2.
However, having caved (I have no morals) and seen the workprint, the bone claws don't really add much to that idea, in fact, it takes away from it. The addition of the adamantium really doesn't change Logan per se.; it just makes him more unstoppable and stronger. The psychological impact is gone, which was very much alluded to in X2.
Doesn't Wolverine have animal senses and crap too? Like super hearing/smell/eyesight/crazy feral urges, and so forth? The bone claws would seem a natural part of that theme.
Did the Weapon X program give him those powers too? And make him really hairy?
Plus, adding metal knuckle knives to a person is a wee bit random to do out of the blue.
Did the Weapon X program give him those powers too? And make him really hairy?
Plus, adding metal knuckle knives to a person is a wee bit random to do out of the blue.
Norrin Radd
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They could easily have explained that away as being a part of his natural superhuman physiology. After all, he doesn't just have a healing factor or super senses, but also enhanced strength, agility, stamina, and reflexes to go with it. He's no Hulk, of course, or even Spider-Man, but he's more powerful than your average human.
I concur with the others in this thread that the whole adamantium process that transformed him is lessened in its shock value when he's already been "scarred" by having bone claws since childhood. You look at the original Weapon X series and he wasn't just given claws, but was literally conditioned to fight and think like an animal. That's actually the most horrifying part...the obscene conditioning process they put him through...which is merely symbolized by the claws. That's when he becomes a feral creature which he's fighting against to this day. Not before. At least, that's how it was before Marvel sold out the character...
It's not the concept. It's just that the claws were always a Weapon X addition to Logan. But when Marvel got the bright idea that they wanted Magneto to rip the adamantium out of Wolverine, they thought...*GASP*...Wolverine won't have claws, and Wolverine without claws won't be Wolverine to the fans! (Wrong. Good writing could have made it work...something Marvel was lacking then. Deadpool, anyone? *snicker*) So they retconned the bone claws so Magneto could do his damage, but we could still have the only thing Marvel thought people liked about Wolvie.
Ding!
On top of all that, every single artist made them look like branches. Why the hell would they look bumpy and gnarled, then look like blades when they're coated in adamantium?
The answer from Marvel will be that if they drew them to look like bone, keeping them white or slightly yellow, they'd closely resemble the metal claws, thus confusing readers. I guess they didn't think constant use of the phrase "bone claws" and snapping them off every other issue would be adequate clues.
As bad as this film may be, the filmmakers may have lucked out in terms of it hurting their careers, due to the timing of its US release (the US domestic box-office gross still being a somewhat overvalued figure by Hollywood studios as opposed to the worldwide gross). If it has a bad opening weekend it will probably be blamed on people staying home because of swine flu. And it's becoming apparent that Star Trek is going to be the 900-lb gorilla of at least the first half of summer movie season, meaning Fox has every reason to expect XMOW to fall off quite a bit after its first week no matter what.