Yes. Much like Burt Ward's stunt cameo does not mean the Dozier Batman series had any official, in-universe connection to any other production, other than its "brother" series, The Green Hornet.
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Yes. Much like Burt Ward's stunt cameo does not mean the Dozier Batman series had any official, in-universe connection to any other production, other than its "brother" series, The Green Hornet.
Stargirl is airing on the CW, not DCUniverse.
The cameo was the announcement.
Question: So where was Reverse Flash? He was mentioned in the newspaper "Crisis" article. Also, I can't imagine that he would just sit out something so big as COIE.
Follow-up question: Did rebooting the universe change Reverse Flash? Will we get a different Reverse Flash?
Follow-up question: Did rebooting the universe change Reverse Flash? Will we get a different Reverse Flash?
I would point out that every DC Comics Crisis event was done to solve this or that continuity problem (well, and to sell more comics of course).
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Zero Hour: Crisis in Time!
- Infinite Crisis
- Final Crisis
- Flashpoint
Probably this will be the future of CW tv shows too
As I recall, the climax of the original "52" miniseries rebooted the DCU a bit as well, although that was umpteen years ago so memory is foggy. Some business with Mister Mind turning into a cosmic butterfly that was devouring universes or something?
I novelized at least four Crises so they blur in my memory a bit!
I just wanna say, I think it's super duper cool that this crossover event happened. I've only seen clips on YouTube, and I get complaints that on their budget they can't really do justice to such a huge epic plotline from the comics, but as an excuse for endless cameos big and small (Brandon Routh Superman! Smallville Clark and Lois! Bert Ward! Ezra Miller!) and getting to see that all the DC shows and movies ever made are all somehow connected is really really cool.
One day I'll hopefully get a chance to watch through the whole arrowverse.
One day I'll hopefully get a chance to watch through the whole arrowverse.
I have to wait a week longer until I can watch episode four. I can watch episode five, but I think I wait with that
The article also said the Crisis happened in 2024. Because of Nora's time travel and the timeline alteration it brought about (or rather, because the producers didn't want to wait 5 more years), the date of the Crisis was moved up, and presumably its events were altered as well.
The Arrowverse Wiki page on the "Anti-Monitor Crisis" recaps what little we know about the original 2024 version as well as the revised 2019-20 version: https://arrow.fandom.com/wiki/Anti-Monitor_Crisis
By what little we've seen of it I wouldn't say it's necessarily closer to the Arrowverse, so much as it just seems to be a god fit for the teen/young adult demo of the CW in general.
Thanks. I know the timeline got changed. I just thought that Reverse-Flash would still show up again in the new timeline. But the article does kinda explain it.
On that note, with the inclusion of Black Lightning the Arrowverse* has currently aired 502 episodes, so the winter finale of Crisis also turned out to be the 500th episode.
*(only shows started after Arrow(Berlanti produced), so not counting Constantine and 90s The Flash)
Completely disagree here, there is absolutely no reason at all a show done in the style and tone of Black Lighting can't coexist with the rest of the Arrowverse. If Winter Soldier, and the Guardians of the Galaxy movies can co-exist in the MCU, and Logan and Deadpool can co-exist in the X-Men movie universe, then Legends of Tomorrow and Black Lightning can coexist in the Arrowverse. If anything having this kind of diversity in the style and tone of the shows is a better reflection of the comics, which vary even more than any of the shows or movies.
I doubt they'll do any movies, but it's pretty much guaranteed we'll be getting lots more crossovers.
I doubt we'll ever see them interact again, but having Ezra Miller's Flash in this is pretty clearly showing that they coexist in the same multiverse.
Yes it did, it pretty clearly showed that it is part of the Arrowverse's multiverse. Hell they even gave it a number, which is more that they even did with the DCEU universe, so there's even less wiggle room there.
Yes, that's exactly what I meant -- that it's tonally closer to the Arrowverse, in that it doesn't have R-rated profanity and violence and stuff like Titans and Doom Patrol have. What did you think I meant?
Certainly it can if it needs to, though I question whether it's better off doing so.
I think we can take it as implied that, at least within the narrative space of the Arrowverse, the multiverse includes every live-action DC screen incarnation (and maybe even the animated ones). I think the Crisis tie-in comics even throw in various comics universes, though past Arrowverse tie-in comics haven't been canonical.
Of course, other productions have no obligation to reciprocate and acknowledge the Arrowverse in turn. There are many cases in fiction where one story presents itself as being in continuity with another story that doesn't acknowledge it in turn -- for instance, many animated TV series that purport to be direct sequels to movies but are then ignored by the movies' live-action sequels (The Real Ghostbusters, Men in Black: The Series, the MTV Spider-Man, etc.).
Well, all we really know about Earth-66, strictly speaking, is that it has vintage cars and a dog-walking guy who reminds us of Millionaire Bruce Wayne's Youthful Ward Dick Grayson. Of course it was implicitly meant to be the Batman '66 world, but only in a winking, subtextual sense.
Most likely the same reason the ASA targeted Freeland for its experiments in the first place: It's perceived as a vulnerable community in a way that Central City and National City aren't. The Markovians probably took a lesson from events like New Orleans post-Katrina (or its Earth-Prime equivalent) in assessing how much government response and military opposition they would meet in Freeland as opposed to the cities you name -- i.e., a lot less. Seen that way, the apparent discrepancy actually enhances and reinforces BL's themes.
The Reverse Flash can survive the collapse of his own personal timeline. He's got extra protection some how, or no one told Eddie Thawne that he was adopted. He should have also faded out when Nora faded out, so Time is having some trouble erasing the bugger.
Nash Wells, is now the Wells of Earth Prime. Harrison Wells isn't a thing, so he never should have invented Star labs, but if Tess, Well's wife had founded Star Labs then the reverse Flash "disguised" himself as a woman for nearly 20 years?
No Eobard Thawne hiding as Harrison Wells, then Eddie lives, then Iris marries Eddie.
The Paragon of Love ain't got no love.
Anyway, now that the universes of Earth-1 and Earth-38 have been blended into a single history, we'll never get a chance to explore my theory about why the two worlds were so different. I often noted that a startlingly high number of the alien immigrants on Earth-38 were refugees fleeing conquest and tyranny, which implied that something out there was wreaking havoc unchecked in that universe. So maybe the reason Earth-1 didn't have all those aliens living on it was because something was preventing that conquest and chaos. So I figured the difference was that Earth-1's universe had a Green Lantern Corps (we got several hints that Hal Jordan existed there and had gone missing) while Earth-38's didn't. Maybe that's even why Earth-1 didn't have a Superman or Supergirl -- maybe its version of Tomar-Re was successful at preventing Krypton's destruction.
No, I got what you meant, I'm just saying that on first impression the show doesn't really feel much closer to the Arrowverse than it does to the DCU output(apart form cussing and punching Titans for example are soooo angsty it could easily have been a CW/WB show last decade
), but to me at least its vibe feels like it fits more among other CW show than the Arrowverse itself. 
There's no direct crossover (with The Winter Soldier (and its tone, related events which bled into Civil War) and GOTG. If not for Infinity War/Endgame, you would never associate the characters from the Cap side and GOTG, and even then, there was no firm connection (the Guardians were with Stark's side in IW, and Nebula's Endgame sub-plot largely connected to other characters like Rhodey and Hawkeye). The differences between Black Lightning and the CW-DC shows is glaring on the grand scale, all thanks Black Lightning's creators purposely creating their show not be some silly, alien-filled romp, but a fantasy series completely framed in its very specific, carefully considered sociopolitical/emotional story of the Pierce family and their city.
That is the heart of the series, and how it drives the worldview of characters and plot. You cannot turn than on and off when convenient. Forcing that world to merge with the other shows is as oil and water as one can get, and would hurt all that has been built to make Black Lightning the series it was meant to be. It gains nothing from a merger.
Stunt casting. There is no official connection between Snyder's DCEU and CW-DC.
Stunt casting.
Don't hold your breath expecting to see CW-DC in the sequels to Wonder Woman, Aquaman, etc.