They nay not have access to it. The rules of travel could be different now.
Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)
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@Christopher He was there. He did a interview recently about it.
Given that the multiverse is now all non-CW shows it makes sense that they aren't going to be jumping over to them any time soon.
Earth-2 Has a CW show with Star Girl.
It's a DC Universe show that they're repeating, so not one they have direct control over.
That, and the entire premise of how metahumans exist in Black Lightning's world; from the start, it was ASA experiments with Green Light that created Jefferson's powers, the "pod kids," "pod prisoners," et al. That was hard established to the characters and government of that world and completely different than anything ever seen on the CW-DC shows. This weak COIE-In-Title-Only merger creates hard continuity conflicts with the way Jefferson's entire world operates, and why there's a ASA/Markovian/Black Lightning/Green Light-as-street-drug conflict in the first place.
...and that's not even addressing how the worldview/politics/character identity of all things Black Lightning are truly worlds apart from typical CW-DC, just as the Akils, Scott, et al., meant it to be.
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Hmm, then that makes it odd that we never saw any of their faces in the same shot with his. Maybe they only had time to shoot close-ups and not masters?
IIRC, she said both. Paraphrasing: "Clark, you need to get to Metropolis now. It's the boys." "The boys?" "That's right. As in our two sons?"
Of course, an adopted son is still a son -- just ask Jonathan and Martha Kent, or Joe West.
To the points about Black Lightning, the merger of the Earths must mean that Earth-Prime has a deeper, longer-standing history with superheroes than Earth-1 had. It's not just Earth-1 with National City, Metropolis, and Freeland grafted onto it, but a new Earth with a history that's a blend of all three. So it had metahumans in Freeland long before the STAR Labs explosion.
Then again, we know that Earth-1 had a few metahumans and superheroes of its own operating as far back as the 1940s, the Justice Society. They just did so in secret. So it's not that great a change to fold Freeland's metahuman history into the timeline.
It's a Berlanti/DC show. They have the same "control" over it as any of the others
The line in the trailer doesn't jibe with that, but one fair point is that they may explain it.
It would be a mistake not to keep the multiverse. Yes, in the comics, they did that consciously, but they learned over time that they needed the multiverse. Too many possibilities.
This is a very big point, but it's also an opportunity. I wasn't a real fan of how BL has portrayed the people. It's clear that BL existed on an Earth where the US Constitution does not exist, at least not the way it does in our world.
The Freeland isolation story is preposterous unless you accept that. This new Earth could of course have Jefferson deal with similar issues, but the degree that we have seen things on BL is harder to swallow than a guy shooting lightning from his hands.
I hope the writers are up to the challenge of changing things to fit it all into one world, rather than having a few comments about the Crisis and then pretending nothing ever happened.
If they don't, there will be lots of room to nitpick.
Would that be true NOW though?
Not entirely, since the networks have some say too. Supergirl was a Berlanti show from the start, but it took a lot of negotiation with CBS to arrange the first Flash crossover, even though The CW is half-owned by CBS. So it follows that the same dynamic would apply with a fully WB-owned network like DC Universe.
Although I have to wonder, because as far as I can tell, the only Stargirl trailers that have been released to date have been CW-branded, not DC Universe-branded. It's being promoted as if it were a CW show. So I wonder if maybe there's been some realignment in their plans, because of the tone of the show being closer to the Arrowverse than to the Titans/Doom Patrol mode. And with DP season 2 slated to air jointly on DCU and HBO Max, I wonder if WB is hedging their bets in case DCU goes under.
I was iffy about the first 3 parts but I think part 4 and 5 redeemed the crossover and really nailed the landing. I was really surprised by the Ezra Miller cameo. I did not expect them to go there. I was sure that they would keep the DCEU movies completely separate. The death of Oliver Queen was handled beautifully. I love that we got the Justice League table at the end. I hope it is setting things up for some Justice League TV movies in the future. That would be great. I am also really intrigued by the changes to the different TV shows. Obviously, Supergirl will have to deal with Lex Luthor being a "good guy". I also like that Flash, Arrow and Supergirl are on the same Earth now so we can get more mini-crossovers now. I hope we get some single episodes with Flash and Supergirl together. There is a lot of potential to bring the characters together.
I think they would be foolish to waste the opportunity for mini crossovers, and they could even use them to promote Superman.
Regarding the newer shows yet to come, I think it's safe to say that the decision to connect every DC show ever was viewed very positively, and people love crossovers.
Done right, it would be foolish NOT to include the upcoming shows in future crossovers, be it major or mini.
Regarding the newer shows yet to come, I think it's safe to say that the decision to connect every DC show ever was viewed very positively, and people love crossovers.
Done right, it would be foolish NOT to include the upcoming shows in future crossovers, be it major or mini.
It was just a stunt cameo. There is no official announcement that the DCEU is connected to anything else because until said official announcement comes around...its not.
I would point out that every DC Comics Crisis event was done to solve this or that continuity problem (well, and to sell more comics of course).
Probably this will be the future of CW tv shows too
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Zero Hour: Crisis in Time!
- Infinite Crisis
- Final Crisis
- Flashpoint
Probably this will be the future of CW tv shows too
Yeah, I was just surprised that they even did the stunt cameo at all. I don't expect the DCEU movies to actually connect to the CW Arrowverse.
Black Lightning exists in "our" world, hence the numerous references to real U.S. Presidents, known historical and cultural figures / events, authors, etc. That was the intent of the Akils, Scott, et al., when creating the series--that it was set in the "real world" as it would address serious, real world issues (as a matter of daily life) through the fantasy lens. That sets it apart from the common CW-DC series.
One of the only ways of doing that was to avoid the rather silly "beast/gimmick of the week" format used by other series, as there's no way to sell a series as realistic with many of the things seen on other shows. Batwoman is next in line as a series that plays it close to reality, as no aired episode had dipped into the wild, cartoon plots and/or set-up of how their world operates.
I'd agree, with the proviso that it's somewhat contingent on whether there's actually a good reason for the merger of the universes. If they go back to the old pattern of having the shows never interact except once a year, then there won't have been much point to it.
I've learned never to say never with the Arrowverse. They've pulled off countless things we never thought would be possible. The one thing that surprises me is that it was the WB bosses that asked them to do it, rather than the producers begging the WB bosses to let them.
That would be a cool thing to see, but unfortunately, TV movies don't seem to exist anymore except on some cable channels. The closest thing we'd get on The CW is something like we got on Tuesday, with two episodes airing back-to-back.
Anyway... I'm thinking that the President's speech at the end was probably written with the hope of giving it to some recognizable actress, but presumably nobody's schedule worked out. I can think of a number of actresses I would've liked to see in the role:
Lynda Carter
Annette O'Toole
Calista Flockhart (why not -- Cat was a presidential advisor, after all)
Dina Meyer (why not -- Barbara Gordon was a congresswoman in pre-Crisis comics)
Stacy Haiduk
Tracy Scoggins
Dana Delany
Adrienne Barbeau
Lindsay Wagner
Lucia Walters (returning as Invasion's President Brayden, if all else failed)
A shame they couldn't line up anyone we knew.
I would point out that every DC Comics Crisis event was done to solve this or that continuity problem (well, and to sell more comics of course).
- Crisis on Infinite Earths
- Zero Hour: Crisis in Time!
- Infinite Crisis
- Final Crisis
- Flashpoint
Probably this will be the future of CW tv shows too
A Zero Hour-esque 3 or 4-parter would go a long way in cleaning up the mess that was this CW-COIE.