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Spoilers Crisis on Infinite Earths Discussion (CW Event Spoiler Thread)

The Legion of Doom looked pretty good on Harley Quinn this morning.

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I am thinking a real Earth 3, for the big crossover... I know they kinda did it with Earth X, and maybe they can with both Earth X and 3 teamingnup... also would be a good way get get Stephen Amell back (his evil character didnt die, right?).

For a low impact crossover, I am hoping Flash and Black Lightning.

The Crime Syndicate. That would be interesting.
 
Problem is that they’re just too similar to the Nazi universe, and we had a evil Superman (of sorts) in Elseworlds.
Injustice League sounds interesting with Lex around. We’ll have to wait until they actually start calling themselves the Justice League.
 
At least the idea of Batman on a alien world sounds like a good idea to me. I mean it would explain his disappearance and why he left Gotham. I know he usually doesn't fight those type of villians but they do exist so he could have had a alien encounter. Or maybe he is in Hell or something as well. I kind of like the idea he is no longer on Earth as opposed to just relaxing on a beach somewhere or who knows what.

Jason
 
When Specter gave Barry that extra energy so that he could escape the Vanishing Point, was that a temporary boost or a permanent boost? Can we assume the Flash basically "leveled up" and is more powerful now going forward?
 
When Specter gave Barry that extra energy so that he could escape the Vanishing Point, was that a temporary boost or a permanent boost? Can we assume the Flash basically "leveled up" and is more powerful now going forward?

Does it matter? Even when a character is supposedly given a power upgrade, their adversaries inevitably escalate to a matching level, so there's no functional difference. Star Trek's quantum torpedoes were supposed to be even more powerful than photon torpedoes, which are theoretically more powerful than nuclear warheads -- but in practice, both kinds of torpedo were depicted to work pretty much like glowing cannonballs. In Super Sentai/Power Rangers, the Rangers periodically get new and more powerful giant robots to defeat exceptionally tough monsters, but then all the subsequent monsters are on the same level anyway so the battles are still pretty much the same as before until the next "upgrade."

Anyway, what Oliver/Spectre did was to "unlock [Barry's] potential" to break through the barrier into the Speed Force. So it was a cosmic-level or Speed Force-oriented thing that wouldn't necessarily apply to his everyday use of his powers.
 
Does it matter? Even when a character is supposedly given a power upgrade, their adversaries inevitably escalate to a matching level, so there's no functional difference. Star Trek's quantum torpedoes were supposed to be even more powerful than photon torpedoes, which are theoretically more powerful than nuclear warheads -- but in practice, both kinds of torpedo were depicted to work pretty much like glowing cannonballs. In Super Sentai/Power Rangers, the Rangers periodically get new and more powerful giant robots to defeat exceptionally tough monsters, but then all the subsequent monsters are on the same level anyway so the battles are still pretty much the same as before until the next "upgrade."

Anyway, what Oliver/Spectre did was to "unlock [Barry's] potential" to break through the barrier into the Speed Force. So it was a cosmic-level or Speed Force-oriented thing that wouldn't necessarily apply to his everyday use of his powers.

Thanks. No, it probably does not matter. I was just curious.
 
But none of that matters when we're talking about whether or not they are or should be part of a shared universe. There are plenty of examples out there of shared universes have a huge variety of tones and styles, so I really don't see why this is such an issue.

Missing the point: it does not work. You can turn Thor into comic relief and place him in GOTG; he's largely an otherworld character anyway. Cap and his closest allies/storylines/tne were/are the polar opposite of GOTG in origin, type of storylines and characterization, which is why the MCU never had either side directly involved in / having an impact on the stories of the other. It would not work, and again, appearing in some free-for-all battle (Infinity War) is not an example of their distinct form of storytelling/character development/tone truly mixing in any coherent fashion.

Which once again, has no impact on the fact that these things all take place in one universe.

Tone, inherent values to the plot and characterization is how shows are identified. Its not a toybox where you just toss anything out of it and make it work on a whim. This applies to Black Lightning and its relation to the majority of the CW-DC series which is as far removed from how the other series work as Lost would be to Gilligan's Island.

The characters appearing in the crossover IS an official annoucement that they are in the same multiverse.

No, it is not. Official announcements come from those who own the property (e.g. Fox/Disney/the Dozier estate regarding the 1966-68 Batman TV series) or whoever works for them, not stunt casting/cameos. As mentioned to Morpheus, the E.T. species appearing in The Phantom Menace does not mean there is any official joining of creative properties owned Fox/LFL and Amblin/Universal. Moreover, in the 1982 film The Pirate Movie, Christopher Atkins' character hears a disembodied, Alec Guinness-like voice refer to the Force, then Atkins called a green lightsaber to him; later in the film, Indiana Jones shows up to shoot the Cairo swordsman during a fight scene. Clearly, the properties / creative universes of Star Wars (released by Fox, like The Pirate Movie) and LFL/Paramount's Indiana Jones movies were not officially part of that film's universe, because they were used as stunt cameos--above all else--and for humor.


You forget to whom you speak.

Says the guy who argued for something completely unproven.
 
Not sure if this has been noted yet - the new Superhero team on Earth Prime is never specifically called the Justice League. But neither was the group in the movie. Even though it’s the title of the movie. It could be a long time before we get a JL sequel where likely the group’s name is formalized. I wonder if that frees up the tv division at all to use it.

The nice thing about the Hall of Justice is while Barry owns it, it’s not a requirement for him to be present when other members use. It’s possible for other series to use it as location without the Flash. While the movie setup the idea of their headquarters being in the ruins of Wayne Manor. Which would always raise the question of where is a Bruce?
 
It seemed to depend on the style of each season of Super Friends on how strongly that was emphasized. I believe even in the first season it was described in narration as the “great Hall of the Justice League”. With the JLA logo on each team members communicators. The famous “Challenge of the Super Friends” opening narration even describes it as “the Justice League of America versus the Legion of Doom”.

Ironically the last season “The Super Powers Team: Galactic Guardians” which was arguably the most comic inspired used the Justice League name the least nor Super Friends at all. “Super Powers Team” was used in dialogue a lot. A sure way to sell the action figure brand.
 
The Super Friends were the Justice League. The former was the name of the show, not the team.
You're just no damn fun...

If it's good enough for Ted Knight and Wonder Woman it's good enough for me. :p
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You're just no damn fun...

If it's good enough for Ted Knight and Wonder Woman it's good enough for me. :p
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I guess dunh-dunh-duh isn't as clear as a bunch of winky smiley faces or a sign saying SARCASM ALERT
 
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