Cringe-Worthy TNG scenes worth forgetting/rediculing

[Brennyren]

That episode where Picard was very scantily clad, not the torture episode. The one where he was on leave, with the floaty but very short outfit. I was horrified that something might pop out. Really not interested in seeing middle aged men with so little on.

Not gonna lie, I liked it! PS was in pretty good shape, especially for a middle-aged man.

 

[ihno]

Did some mention Robin Lefler and her rules?

 

[Mojochi]

For one, he is screwing that hologram

When exactly is that seen, mentioned or even hinted at? I mean she accused him of it, & I get that we live in a time now where that's all anybody has to do is claim someone did something & it's just assumed they did it, but that's unjust, especially in his case.

He speaks to Brahm in a very flirtatious, bedroom tone the entire episode.

Actually, he spends most of the episode speaking defensively, because she's blasting him over the work he's done to "her" engines. Only after things got off to a very bad start did he try to get her to warm up to him, & he did a terrible job of it, because he's a bumbling twerp, who has a crush on her, & didn't reveal that

He knows way to much about her, including her taste in food. It's an obsessive act that is beyond friendly.

He knows a great deal about her work, & has used a lot of it in his work onboard. She was taken aback by that when she noticed things onboard, & he made the mistake of not confessing HOW he knew some of those things, because he was probably embarrassed. It was a mistake. As for the personal stuff he knew? 2 things. The hairstyle the hologram wore in the Booby Trap episode, & the pasta dish it offhandedly mentioned. That's it. It was a mistake for him to try to use those things to win her over, because it came off awkwardly, but it was still only a mistake

First, you don't invite a colleague of the opposite sex to your room if you want them to be comfortable. You go someplace public. You have a drink. You do friendly things. You, at the very least, feel them out to see if they would later like to go back to your room. Give them a chance to feel out your intentions and possibly refuse. You certainly don't dim the lights and put on soft jazz. That's a such a tacky, stereotypical sex environment. Would you ever create that environment for a friend? Basically, Geordi invited her on a date without telling her it was a date and expected her to, what? Get on board? He ambushed her. This is work place etiquette 101. Geordi was being an utter creep.

He was being stupid, & because of that it got awkward, but hey... There's nothing wrong with inviting a colleague over to your place. There isn't even anything wrong with thinking you both might have enough in common to maybe be interested in one another. If someone gets invited to a personal meeting which they find inappropriate or uncomfortable. They have an obligation to say so, which by the way, once she realized he made it a little too intimate in there, she DID

She tells him she's not interested in staying because she thought it would be inappropriate. He accepts this & she leaves. There is nothing wrong about any of that. It was stupid of him to do it, & he definitely should have met her in 10-F or something, but it was not wrong to attempt

Are you not familiar with how somebody who has a crush is? It can be innocent. It can be awkward sometimes. I have literally been in her exact position before (Except for the hologram stuff) & there's nothing wrong with it, as long as you make your position clear to them & they accept it & behave accordingly... & he did

We can drop this anytime, if it's too touchy of a subject. I just want to set the record straight. Geordi is not doing anything wrong here... stupid... bumbling... painfully awkward... but not wrong. If we mistakenly persecute everyone who ever had a social misstep when trying to connect with someone, we are so in a world of shit, it's not even funny

 

[Mark 2000]

When exactly is that seen, mentioned or even hinted at?

In the very line you quote. The hologram is describing a physical relationship. Something it didn’t even do in the original nearly as creepy Booby Trap, which means he’s been developing that relationship when we weren’t looking.

Actually, he spends most of the episode speaking defensively,

Every sentence he speaks is defensive leading right into a creepy “come on baby” talk. When he’s buttering her up he doesn’t sound anything like when he’s talking to others. He sounds flirtatious and, a lot of times, patronizing.

It was a mistake. As for the personal stuff he knew? 2 things.

And who knows how much else. That’s not cool behavior, even if it is the one thing. It’s stalking. It’s weird that you don’t see that.

There's nothing wrong with inviting a colleague over to your place. There isn't even anything wrong with thinking you both might have enough in common to maybe be interested in one another.

There is everything wrong with it. You’re putting someone in the awkward position of saying no to you in an enclosed space alone with them without having any idea the question that’s about to be sprung. I’m assuming you’re not a woman or you would be more likely to understand that immediately. That is a presumptuous and threatening situation. Louis CK and Bill Cosby operated in environments like that. You seem to want this situation both ways. Nothing he did prior to the dinner was in persuit of sex, but the dinner itself was and that’s ok. It’s all over the map. Geordi is a creeper. He’s always been played that way. His intense feelings for Christie Henshaw before even asking her out was a sign of this too. He puts too much effort into women before they have a chance to reject him. If he was 14 it would be ok, but he’s a 30-something year old professional team leader. They must have harassment training in the 24th century. They sure do need it.

 

[Mojochi]

In the very line you quote. The hologram is describing a physical relationship. Something it didn’t even do in the original nearly as creepy Booby Trap, which means he’s been developing that relationship when we weren’t looking.

I quoted that line from Booby Trap, literally from the script of that episode. which I thought sounded cheesy. The replay of it in Galaxy's Child is just that, an exact replay of the file he created to solve the Booby Trap crisis. We've literally only seen that one program. There is no other evidence to suggest he developed it further. Your interpretation that it is "Creepier" is skewed, by that error, & you're reading your own slant into it

Every sentence he speaks is defensive leading right into a creepy “come on baby” talk. When he’s buttering her up he doesn’t sound anything like when he’s talking to others. He sounds flirtatious and, a lot of times, patronizing.

I don't see it that way. Most of the time he is just trying to deescalate the hostility she brought onboard with her. He does have an interest in her, so it may come out now & then, but there's nothing wrong with that, until she says there's something wrong with that, which she did, he accepted, & they eventually moved on, after some awkward stumbling. He's not giving her the "Come on baby talk". He's mostly giving her the "Can't we all just get along" talk, but yes, he does have a crush on her too, which makes it awkward, but it's not stalking. imho

There is everything wrong with it. You’re putting someone in the awkward position of saying no to you in an enclosed space alone with them without having any idea the question that’s about to be sprung. I’m assuming you’re not a woman or you would be more likely to understand that immediately. That is a presumptuous and threatening situation. Louis CK and Bill Cosby operated in environments like that..

& that's where current interpretations of what is safe behavior come into play in your point of view. Let's just clear this up. Geordi is not Bill Cosby, nor is his quarters on the enterprise an unsafe environment which should be held in fear. He did ask her publicly to come there, when they were in engineering. She didn't suspect he might have more romantic designs when she agreed, which I agree was his mistake, but once she found out, she was clear with him, & that was the end of it. If going to his quarters was uncomfortable, then she could've voiced that. I doubt he'd have pushed the issue

Your interpretation is essentially that no one should ever, under any circumstances, express a personal romantic interest in a colleague (Especially if they're a man). I disagree, & I think it's downright dangerous for people to be suggesting that in modern society, because it'll be an ugly day once people realize how damning such an attitude is.

In The Game, Robin Lefler is literally embarrassing Wesley with comments about his birthmark., after he only just met her. She knows way more personal stuff about Wes than Geordi knows about Leah, & nobody thinks it's harassment, because it's just stuff you find out in the normal course of events

That said, to avoid derailing this thread further, I'll politely back out of this discussion now. Feel free to hold any opinion of this you like. Mine is that I don't accept the claim his behavior is harassment, & I think I've stated some decent support for that. I'll be happy with that & move on

 

[Mark 2000]

In The Game, Robin Lefler is literally embarrassing Wesley with comments about his birthmark., after he only just met her.

You’re arguing a two-wrongs fallacy. Lefler is also gross and inappropriate. Past that I have nothing much to say other than that I’ve made my point and we’ll have to disagree on proper work place/dating behavior. Disagree in that I am right and you are completely wrong and I just hope you don’t get yourself in trouble one day. Because saying “it’s an ugly day when” is not going to stop the reality of that day being now and there being nothing actually ugly about it. I never said there is no way to have a relationship with a collegue. I said ambushing them into it is the wrong way and went into detail about a possibly right way. Right now the entire news cycle agrees with me. You refusing to understand that is not going to make it go away.

 

[Borg]

Joe Piscopo

Your username tho.

 

[Brennyren]

I remember a couple of pretty cringe-worthy moments from the first season.

From "The Last Outpost," those bobbing and weaving, whip-wielding Ferengi. I could not believe we were expected to take these strange little guys seriously as baddies -- which, at that point, we were!

From "Justice": "I'm with Starfleet. We don't lie." Maybe a five-year-old could have said that and not made it sound weird and priggish. Or maybe not.

 

[Gary7]

I remember a couple of pretty cringe-worthy moments from the first season.

From "The Last Outpost," those bobbing and weaving, whip-wielding Ferengi. I could not believe we were expected to take these strange little guys seriously as baddies -- which, at that point, we were!.

When you compare all of the TNG Ferengi to the ones on DS9, it's clear that the TNG flavor is inconsistent and not believable. Even in the later seasons on TNG... while they thankfully escaped those 2 or 3 episodes from Seasons 1 and 2 where Ferengi were nothing more than monkeys with mono-ear cartilage that could somewhat speak English, later ones were better but still quite flawed.

Armin Shimerman saved the Ferengi reputation. His portrayal of Quark became the exemplar of what is a Ferengi, with Max Grodenchik as Rom helping to round it out (Ferengi aren't all about profit). Aron Eisenberg's representation of Nog was actually quite good, showcasing the potential of Ferengi raised outside of a Ferengi dominated environment. That they're perfectly capable of behaving like civilized, caring people not overly obsessed with profit.