"Court Martial" Question/Observation

[GSchnitzer]

Which [Epsilon in TMP] is, I believe, the last time within the timeline that non-arrowhead insignias were seen in use within Starfleet.

It's also the last time we see sewn-in insignia at all.

Of course, we do continue to see the sewn-in insignia even in later movies.

In The Wrath of Khan:

In The Search for Spock:

And even as late as The Undiscovered Country:

 

[Christopher]

^Well, that's because they were saving money by reusing the engineering "radiation suits" made for TMP.

 

[Joel_Kirk]

^Well, that's because they were saving money by reusing the engineering "radiation suits" made for TMP.

Damn Starfleet budget crisis. No wonder, out of thousands of ships...the ENT is the only one in range.

 

[BillJ]

Which [Epsilon in TMP] is, I believe, the last time within the timeline that non-arrowhead insignias were seen in use within Starfleet.

It's also the last time we see sewn-in insignia at all.

Of course, we do continue to see the sewn-in insignia even in later movies.

In The Wrath of Khan:

In The Search for Spock:

And even as late as The Undiscovered Country:

That last still is actually from The Final Frontier.

 

[scotpens]

There was a point when the Federation was trying to get by on this whole “we don't use money thing” but was running out of “credits” to keep certain programs going. So they took on corporate sponsors to help out. They started sponsoring a few ships and bases here and there to see how it worked out. Those ships and bases had the comporate emblem. Once the program proved to be a success, they decided to let Pontiac sponsor the whole Starfleet, and everyone had the same symbol - albeit upside down.

Actually it was TWA -- only the graphic symbol had to be squashed and turned 90 degrees to fit on a uniform.

 

[Timo]

If that were the case, his title should be something like "[position] First Fleet." "Starfleet" has been firmly established as referring to the entire service, and the title Chief of Starfleet Operations sounds pretty clearly like a position overseeing operations at the Starfleet level.

But the only time we hear Kirk's title is when Kirk himself is deriding it. I doubt he'd afford it the pomp of completeness on that occasion.

We don't even really know if it's "the Chief of SF Ops" or "a Chief of SF Ops", since Kirk does speak in a grammatically correct way regardless of the completeness of his terminology, and considers CSFOps an article-less title...

Timo Saloniemi

 

[GSchnitzer]

^Well, that's because they were saving money by reusing the engineering "radiation suits" made for TMP.

Yes, but they didn't do it completely on the cheap: they did go through the trouble of replacing the red engineering insignia on the suits as seen in TMP with the gold insignia in the later movies.