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If she had screwed Q in season 3, all those refugees would have been in labour camps.

One more logical inconsistency with the Nazi Concentration Camps is that they took educated skilled labourers (I'm assuming) and made them dig until they died... Surely the camps should have been built around the skillsets of the prisoners to maximize their contribution to the Reich?

If I was going to "nationalize" the telepathic subset of the species into forced labourers, then logically to best utilize their skillsets, they would be interrogators of actual dangerous political dissidents.

They would be valuable to the government and save the Imperium from real threats on a daily basis.

But there's still two ways this could go.

1. Dogs on a leash educated with a big stick until they are broken and submit.

2. A pampered and privileged luxurious life of carefree joy in exchange for a couple hours a week were they empty the dangerous minds of terrorist scum for the good of the Devore Imperium.

:)

Once in X-Men comics, the X-Men (X-Factor) spent almost 3 years (our time) disguised publicly as Mutant hunting (humans) using the fear and loathing of mankind against mutants, against humans, tricking bigot asshole speciests to watch their basic cable attack ads, and ring the X-Men's toll free 0800 snitch line to dob in the loitering mutant element who could then be rounded up in nets and taken to safety in a secret haven, and not kennels at all.

(It turned out the X-Men had been tricked into doing this by an evil accountant. Sure they saved a handful of mutants, but Mutant lynchings country wide rose by %140 because of the national adversing campaign insisting that Mutants are going to eat "regular" people's children.)

Is it possible that the Devore Imperium was already secretly run by telepaths who were using persons like Kashyk to escourt stray telepaths to the party headquarters?
 
IT was not rape it was mating, like dogs. Or uhh.. lizards. And no it was not power imbalance captain you shouldn't have done that with a lesser officer rape because she was no longer the captain, she was a lizard.
 
This is what I remember...

Tom "I'm sorry I took advantage of you Captain"

Kath "How do you know I didn't take advantage of you?"
The term "Take advantage of" only has so many definitions.

But it's totally about ego.

Kathryn would rather be the aggressor pinning him down.

But this is what was actually said...

JANEWAY: I've thought about having children, but I must say I never considered having them with you.
PARIS: Captain, I'm sorry. I, I don't know what to say, except I don't remember very much about, er, you know
JANEWAY: What makes you think it was your idea? Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating. But apology accepted, nonetheless. You may be interested to know I'm putting you in for a commendation. Regardless of the outcome, you did make the first transwarp flight.
My mind really seems to simplify things.
 
This is what I remember...

Tom "I'm sorry I took advantage of you Captain"

Kath "How do you know I didn't take advantage of you?"
The term "Take advantage of" only has so many definitions.

But it's totally about ego.

Kathryn would rather be the aggressor pinning him down.

But this is what was actually said...

JANEWAY: I've thought about having children, but I must say I never considered having them with you.
PARIS: Captain, I'm sorry. I, I don't know what to say, except I don't remember very much about, er, you know
JANEWAY: What makes you think it was your idea? Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating. But apology accepted, nonetheless. You may be interested to know I'm putting you in for a commendation. Regardless of the outcome, you did make the first transwarp flight.
My mind really seems to simplify things.

The important thing is they did it.
 
Evolved human being might look like Salamander's but that does not mean that they have sex like salamanders.

Then the male slips underneath the female and carries her around on his back for a long time. While doing that he rubs his head on her chin. The female will then move her bottom in a side-to-side movement. The male releases his spermatophore, the packet containing his sperm. The female lowers her hind legs and picks up the sperm packet with her cloaca. You will easily be able to tell when a female is pregnant because she will become obese.
I've bumped into this word a lot recently...

Cloaca

The Vampires in The Strain have them.

And when I heard some one say that chicken's poo, wee, have sex through and eject eggs from the same multifunctional hole, it made me smile.
 
JANEWAY: I've thought about having children, but I must say I never considered having them with you.
PARIS: Captain, I'm sorry. I, I don't know what to say, except I don't remember very much about, er, you know.
JANEWAY: What makes you think it was your idea? Sometimes it's the female of the species that initiates mating. But apology accepted, nonetheless. You may be interested to know I'm putting you in for a commendation.
That Tom Paris, eh? He's shameless. Sleeping his way to success..... :p
 
It was just part of her attempts to make everyone believe they were gong home so working super well would have a reward. But obviously if they were going to putz around out there for even 30 years no one would care anymore about "commendations" put in to Starfleet.
 
The prejudice in this quadrant is simply unbelievable. First it's telepaths and then what? Holograms? Not to mention the dead people. They hate dead people so much that they want to revive them and make them members of their Frankenstein-monster-like race! What did Kim ex-college/would be girlfriend say? "I see dead people"? Hell no! "I AM dead people". First in spite of the doctor's medication, she lost face! Nobody wants that, do they?
 
I agree with you in reference to S/C but saying that a powerful woman would work well with a passive man is weird. Why can't both individuals be equals in power? I'm not talking about power based on what a person's profession is. More about personality. If the situation was in reverse it would be sexist.

I was more applying the theory that 'Opposites attract' and people would rather be with somebody who compliments their personality rather than matches it.
 
I agree with you in reference to S/C but saying that a powerful woman would work well with a passive man is weird. Why can't both individuals be equals in power? I'm not talking about power based on what a person's profession is. More about personality. If the situation was in reverse it would be sexist.

I was more applying the theory that 'Opposites attract' and people would rather be with somebody who compliments their personality rather than matches it.

Sorry. I thought you were talking about about the roles in relationships.
 
The real question is would she (or DID SHE) have bedded him to save her people and those poor refugees?

I'm sure she thought about bedding him just for the hell of it! I mean, the woman hasn't had sex in 4.5 years! Okay, so she and Tom got together but they were lizards. I don't think that counts.
 
I've found over the years that the degree of separation between any discussion of Star Trek: Voyager, and a discussion of hot Salamander-on-Salamander sex, is actually quite amazingly slim. ;)

I agree that maybe Captain Kathy's continued abstinence definitely stretched credibility as time wore on. A romance plot was very welcome. Anything to break the monotony of her having to get her jollies by visiting Fair Haven in the holodeck! :eek:
 
It's not as satisfying emotionally (I speak from experience) because it is missing the element of you being the catalyst of desire and sexual satisfaction for another person. When your hologram responds positively to you in this way you know it's because he's programmed to, someone designed this and he would respond this way to anyone who activated him. No matter how personal he acts with you it's not personal.

However it is definitely more satisfying than bored sex or handheld devices. It's really got a lot going for it and I'm sure many, many people don't give a fig about the nuances of the personal and are quite happy with a nice hologram. I bet in the future bedrooms come with the option of holographic emitters. Probably when you get married your spouse demands you have those emitters removed :lol:
 
When your lapdancer at the strip club responds positively to you in this way you know it's because she's been told to by her choreographer to, someone designed this and she would respond this way to anyone who paid her $140.00. No matter how personal she acts with you, it's not personal.
 
But it's still more personal than a hologram because she refuses to go home with you and makes it very obvious she has her own life that has nothing to do with you. And if you cross some line you are tossed from the club.
 
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